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Topic: All this 'Greatest Ever Olympian'...
Posted By: Bootscooter
Subject: All this 'Greatest Ever Olympian'...
Date Posted: 31 Jul 12 at 11:37pm
... stuff that's being bandied around about Phelps by the media - anyone else think it's a bit insulting to other Olympians? 
Agreed, it's a fantastic achievement and a tremendous medal haul, but it's been done over 3 editions of the Games.  Names like Elvestrom, Redgrave, and even Ainslie (I may be a little biased hereWink) spring to my mind as although they haven't the outright numbers of gongs, they have dominated over fare longer periods in their sports. 
Micheal Johnson just mentioned that context of achievement must be taken into account when making these claims, and that for him Jesse Owens is still the man.Clap



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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 01 Aug 12 at 6:22am
There are certain sports where its less hard to win lot of medals than others, so arguably those medals are "cheaper". Swimming is one of the most notorious.


Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 01 Aug 12 at 8:10am
They should cut the swimming medals. All those different strokes are a joke, just think if you had 100m running backwards, sideways and hopping as well as forwards. 

The should just have a range of distance events, any stroke you like, just like running. 

How can it be fair to other sports and athletes that one person can win so many?


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 01 Aug 12 at 8:31am
Yeah but... if people want to buy tickets to all those swimming events. Selling tickets and TV is a big part of it, even if we don't like to think so.

And although the different strokes do seem pretty silly when often the same people are good at all of them, there are walking races as well as running, running races where there are obstacles on the track to jump over, races off the track as well as on it...

Not to mention different sorts of boat sailed round the same course...


Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 01 Aug 12 at 8:38am
Originally posted by 2547


How can it be fair to other sports and athletes that one person can win so many?
it isn't unfair, it would just be good if the media got a little less giddy and took into account the number of possible medals.

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Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 01 Aug 12 at 8:42am
Originally posted by alstorer

Originally posted by 2547



How can it be fair to other sports and athletes that one person can win so many?

it isn't unfair, it would just be good if the media got a little less giddy and took into account the number of possible medals.


Spot on

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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 02 Aug 12 at 7:44pm
Maybe shere should be medals for each race of the series giving BA 11 medal chances.
 
Or perhaps one for upwind, one for downwind and one for reaching.
 
How can one guy sensibly win so many medals when someone like Regrave at the top of his game for 16 years can only win 5 ... just not fair ...


Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 02 Aug 12 at 7:52pm
Deliberately going swimming is simply disrespectful to 2 billion years of evolution back thru your family tree

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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 02 Aug 12 at 9:54pm
Originally posted by fab100

Deliberately going swimming in an Rs100 is simply disrespectful to 2 billion years of evolution back thru your family tree

FTFY


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Posted By: JohnW
Date Posted: 02 Aug 12 at 9:57pm
Originally posted by 2547

Maybe shere should be medals for each race of the series giving BA 11 medal chances.
 
Or perhaps one for upwind, one for downwind and one for reaching.
 
How can one guy sensibly win so many medals when someone like Regrave at the top of his game for 16 years can only win 5 ... just not fair ...

Redgrave has 6 medals - 5 gold and 1 bronze he doubled up in Seoul  (coxed and coxless pairs).

(plus the one I'm sure he values the most when he rowed with me at Henley RC anniversary invitation scratch VIIIs)



Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 02 Aug 12 at 11:00pm
Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by fab100

Deliberately going swimming in an Rs100 is simply disrespectful to 2 billion years of evolution back thru your family tree

FTFY

Don't judge me by your standards Graeme - I might capsize (although not as often in 3 years as you did in 6 months) but I stay on the high side


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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 03 Aug 12 at 9:07am
Nobody capsizes anything on a pond, you should come down to Hythe, sail it here, do a book promotion, show us all how we're doing it wrong, er if you can get it off the beach that is...LOL

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Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 03 Aug 12 at 9:48am
Originally posted by G.R.F.

Nobody capsizes anything on a pond, you should come down to Hythe, sail it here, do a book promotion, show us all how we're doing it wrong, er if you can get it off the beach that is...LOL

Wrong again - more likely to capsize on a pond, what with 50 degree headers up the beat, wind speed going from 6-20 knots (usually half way thru a gybe or tack) and back in an instant. I freely admit that I am far more successful at finding innovative new ways to muck things up on our pond than on open water. I've even performed water starts (and seen others do so too) in a dinghy on our pond straight after rolling in to windward in a lull.

I've always accepted your beach is an issue, although coming in to a shore break when you cannot get the sail down fears me at least as much as getting out. And I do like my smooth, unscratched bottom thank you very much.

Talks are available and the feedback has been really positive, thankfully. For you, I think I'd have to go for the sections about choosing the right boat, then making sure everything works properly...


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Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 03 Aug 12 at 9:55am
I'd agree with that.... I couldn't believe how much easier the MPS was in steady coastal wind, same too for the 100.  I was windsurfing at Hayling the other week and couple of the locals were moaning about how gusty it was.... I almost wet myself laughing.


Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 03 Aug 12 at 10:00am
I've got the right boat now, thanks for asking and surprise I've been sailing it on a pond for weeks, capsize free even when running aground with its infernal dagger (the only weak point of an otherwise excellent boat).

However first time on the sea in waves, first gybe, in I went, documented elsewhere, too much weight on the windward stern quarter aided by a wave, bringing about a flare gybe back the way I'd just come and in to windward there's a first time for everything and that's a new one on me.

I take all your points about violent shifts, headers, lulls etc but cross waves are more unsettling if they come at the wrong moment, the sea brings about more spills (and thrills) than ponds. Ponds do on the other hand teach you more about wind and how to react to it, and better transition technique and rule observance, inter boat reactions, high speed oscillating wind tactics.

But to be a truly good sailor, you need to be good at both...

I hope you wrote that in your book.


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Posted By: haroosh
Date Posted: 03 Aug 12 at 10:01am
Sir Chris Hoy - The greatest GBR Olympian ever............

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