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Topic: Crazy Ideas!
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Subject: Crazy Ideas!
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 7:10am
Do you think you could make some foils to go on a topper - drill them in, sand down the hull so it's more pointy and make a jib for it??! I think it sounds like a hilarious idea but I would like some imput!

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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 7:52am

Lol yeah amazin idea, certainly be at the front of the fleet then.

Get a massive spinni aswell, god the poor 2 part mast wouldnt no what hit it !



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Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 9:57am
you can allready get a jib kit for a topper i think and u would have to try and fin a way of keeping the centerboard down

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Chew valley lake s c
Topper(RED)-29412
I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 10:56am

It wouldn't work, toppers can't go fast enough to get lift of speed.

And even if you could, you can't use spinnakers with foils.

Nice thought though.



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Posted By: lozza
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 11:00am

Don't think the hull is rigid enough for a bowsprit either.

If somebody had the moulds for the topper, could they make a carbon/epoxy version.  That would be interesting!



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Posted By: yellowhammer
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 12:24pm
How about fitting a jet-ski motor to it ... give a few Cherub sailors a scare!

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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 12:28pm
Topper's aren't that heavy... given large enough foils and enough breeze you could probably get one flying. Wouldn't happen very often though.

Support for the daggerboard is easy enough - fit it from underneath and give it a flange that rests on the hull skin. The rudder would be a bit more fun to arrange.



Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 12:44pm

ellie, you do have some crazy ideas! here is what your foiling topper will look like, this took me over 30mins to make in Photoshop! (i'm not great with photoshop). I apoligise for this very lame effort!

I give you the new TopperMoth!

 



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Posted By: Adds
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 1:29pm
I don't think Tom Gruitt will be very happy with his name next to that!!!!

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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 1:57pm

Tom Gruitt, famous sailing photographer=tgruitt the jumping tiger

It's a Jekyll and Hyde case. One    with his photos, the other one  with photo-editing

(no worries, Tom, it's a funny idea anyway!) 



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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 2:05pm
I'm only 18, give me a break!

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Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 4:52pm

Tom, I think it's fantastic - exactly what I was thinking!!  I'm actually quite serious - it'd be extremely experimental!! If I could get some built in weights or something to add a bit more "heftiness" and then made a bowsprit that sort of moulded into the body of the topper so it wouldn't just snap off!! If I made the mast maybe shorter then it wouldn't get very overpowered - and I could custom make the sails!!

Sorry....I didn't take a breath then cos it was all off the top of my head!!

Has anybody ever tried anything like this??! (I really think this would be so fun, honest)!



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Topper 41825
Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)!


Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 1:34am

It is a stupid idea.

So get on and do it so everyone who watches can have a good laugh.

(adding weights & "Heftiness" may not be the best plan to acieve lift off though...)



Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 2:23am
There you go TOM. Don't let those nasty people have a go at your
Photoshop skills, I bet they can't take shot's like you.



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Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 6:24am
If you can get the photo right in the first place who needs photoshop?


Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 7:06am

You're in a good mood today blobby aren't you??! I think theses photos are crazy (thanks too Jack Sparrow)!  And thanks too Blobby for the encouragement - I'm sure it'll work one day maybe!! I'm goin 2 try and save up for a really cheappie topper cos I'd never touch my own!



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Topper 41825
Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)!


Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 10:11am

Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Don't let those nasty people have a go at your Photoshop skills

 Sorry Tom, never meant to be nasty... I was only making a comment that your Photoshop creation wasn't as stunning as your usual images

Besides, being 18 isn't an excuse - you've got talent and you're stuck with it  Good you've discovered it so early.

Sorry again



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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 12:05pm
No worries BNS i was only kidding! Jack sparrow, thats amazing, you will have to give me a photoshop lesson, i managed to select the topper perfectly but it wouldn't let me mover it over the other images so i gave up and used a combination of photoshop and paint!

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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 12:21pm
Ahh it's all in the wrist

Tom when we meet up next I'll give you a few tips.

BNS... you'ed be amazed just how much retouching goes on even on
those prefect photographs you talk about.

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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 12:57pm

 

[/QUOTE] BNS... you'ed be amazed just how much retouching goes on even on
those prefect photographs you talk about.[/QUOTE]

oh no you have given away my secret! Saying that I hardly ever use editing on my photos, the photos you see are the photos I have taken, I only ever use a small bit of sharpening and level the horizons sometimes thats all i promise!



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Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 3:53pm
Originally posted by Strawberry

you can't use spinnakers with foils.



Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 4:11pm
you gotta have a really flat kite though! else the apparant comes too far forward, great pic!

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Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 6:24pm

Wow - that's pretty smooth!!  Even better if it was a reconstructed topper...

Has anyone else ever thought of completely modifying a boat (not neccesarily their own)??

and WOW, WOW and double WOW!! We have some crazy photographers on this forum!! Everybody has to go on Fotoboat.com right now!! It's awesome...



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Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)!


Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 6:58pm
Talking about Photoshop jobs, do you remember the foiling Wayfarer a few months ago? It puzzled some members...  Wanna see it again?

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Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 02 Jul 05 at 9:04am

Yes please!!!! And your results are brilliant - I had a look and that's crazy! Good ole bns, I'm sure you'll win it all next time!!



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Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)!


Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 02 Jul 05 at 7:25pm

 Thank you, SeaFalcon... I'll try harder next week

Here it is, in all its glory:

and the accompanying text:



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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 02 Jul 05 at 7:28pm
OOOOOOPS, I meant to say: many thanks to Garry , who sent me the pics in the first place  

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Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 03 Jul 05 at 9:46am
Hehe!! Cheers...that's a great photo!  And good ole gary, whoever he is!!

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Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)!


Posted By: hydrographer20
Date Posted: 03 Jul 05 at 10:34am
woh that is a truly great photo, it all wayfarers were like that then id be there

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Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 03 Jul 05 at 6:57pm
Haha, that's a good point - I think they should do that to attract new sailors cos a lot of my mates think wayfarers are unbelievably slow!!  I swear that'd be no end to improvement if they put foils on wayfarers!!

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Topper 41825
Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)!


Posted By: hydrographer20
Date Posted: 03 Jul 05 at 7:56pm
yes i totally agree i see wayfares as slow boats used for primarily teaching,  but with foils they look really fun!

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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 03 Jul 05 at 9:08pm

Have a look at the photo name: http://www.alteredimages.con - www.alteredimages.con . It's about as real as that foiling Wayfarer !   

What are they going to put on foils next? The marker buoys?



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Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 04 Jul 05 at 12:06pm
which person are you on the results (black no sugar)

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Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 04 Jul 05 at 4:40pm
Isabelle Jackson (silly , look on her profile lmao)!!!!

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Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)!


Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 04 Jul 05 at 5:02pm
Whilst on holiday me and ed have decided we might eventually buy a cheap topper and 'modify' it so that should be fun. Although we were both finding it hard to walk in a straight line at that point

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Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 04 Jul 05 at 5:06pm
Oi, cheeky beggar!!! I wanted 2 do that - I was gonna put foils n a jib n spinnaker on it!!! Only difference is, I could walk in a straight line then!!!

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Topper 41825
Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)!


Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 04 Jul 05 at 5:19pm
Lol yep, we could all pay a third each seeing as we all sail at the same place !

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Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 04 Jul 05 at 6:59pm
ye we might be able to find and cheep 1 somewere for about 100 and customize over time and we can be trying to walk in a straight line

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Chew valley lake s c
Topper(RED)-29412
I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 04 Jul 05 at 8:18pm
sounds like a good idea, loved to see it action but the mast might need some modification

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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 04 Jul 05 at 9:38pm
Yeah it would, i think the topper mast would snap with a kite, or a trapeze

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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 04 Jul 05 at 9:50pm
Yipeeeeee! Trapezing a Topper!!!
I've had a go at a Contender yesterday, I want one now! What about a carbon mast with spreaders, stays, shrouds and trapeze wires? Either the mast would snap or the hull would rip open  
We need to work on the design, boys and girls... Any engineers amongst you?

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Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 7:34am

No!! I was going to go on an engineering thing for a day jus to get out of school but....I'm not sure that really counts!!  

Yeah you'd have to either buy a bigger mast (make the mast cup, or whatever bigger) or use a much heftier downhaul or I dunno!

Would we need to sand the bottom down to make it pointier??! Cos a lot of like the moths e.t.c have quite a prominent hull!

I would put a picture in but the computer was being daft!!



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Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)!


Posted By: lozza
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 8:58am

The topper hull isn't very stiff (especially if you get a cheap old one).

Why not get two toppers and make a cat, call it a topcat or something, bit more room for modifications then...



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Posted By: Peter Rhodes
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 9:56am
why not leave the modyfying a topper hull and either use it as a mould for a stiff enough hull or make one out of plywood

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Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 10:12am
Lads, you know you wana get a cherub! Trust me - ul fit in fine with these ideas!!

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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 11:31am

Yeah i know but somehow i dont think me and my friends (ginger69 and theseafalcon) can quite handle something which can match and beat 49er speed!!!

Would be amazing fun tho !



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Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 12:06pm
ye i think we need to think about what we would do and the strong and weak points on a toper

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Chew valley lake s c
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I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: Peter Rhodes
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 12:20pm
obviously the unstayed rig is very inefficent using a lever effect to resist the rig loads with avery short lever hence not very good, therefore the place to start would be with putting a stayed mast on it deck stepped to avoid snaping at deck level like a keel steped one will, therefore a king post and chainplates would be required with frames to stop it being squished like a clam and something to stop it bending longitudially under the rig loads eg tension.

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Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 1:26pm

For simlicaty for rigging why not tie a peice of string to the top of the mast trapize off that then for the tacks swing yourself around the bow, the gybes might be eisier to swing around the back

Note:
 Should not be attempted at home everyting suggested here is only to be done by trained profesionals under carefully controled conditions:



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Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 2:58pm
yes that would be fun

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Chew valley lake s c
Topper(RED)-29412
I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 4:21pm

Oh yeah, whatever granite.... !!

Hey ed, waverider, I reckon we should write up a list of what we want to change and all that jazz!! Oh, and I had a look for a cheapy topper and the cheapest was 275 argh!!!  - That would be just under 100 each and that's loads! I can't do that... I quite like the topcat idea though...two hulls and then you could have a rudder system that connected to the centre (and I won't shut up now )....



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Topper 41825
Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)!


Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 4:25pm
Originally posted by TheSeaFalcon

Yeah you'd have to either buy a bigger mast (make the mast cup, or whatever bigger) or use a much heftier downhaul or I dunno!

make the mast cup bigger, do the cup sizes come as the same as bra sizes?



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Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 5:26pm
o ye ellie can u delite some of ur pms cus i cant send u any more and ye ellie u would no about the bra size thing

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Chew valley lake s c
Topper(RED)-29412
I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 5:27pm
o ye and we need to know if we are going to use ither foils or topcat thing cus we cant have both or can we?

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Chew valley lake s c
Topper(RED)-29412
I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 6:37pm
Yeah!! I'm not sure about the bra size/mast cup size thing!! I know all about bra sizes, but I know nothing about mast cup sizes!!  I reckon foils is much better cos although the top cat is a crazy idea, the hulls would be to wide - there would be sooooooo much friction!! What do you think??! (Oh and, of course I'll get rid of some pm messages, ta)!!

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Topper 41825
Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)!


Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 9:24pm
we i dont mind cus its w/e we think we can make

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Chew valley lake s c
Topper(RED)-29412
I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 9:36pm

one of the problems with the "topcat" is you wont be able to sail it at chew cause of the no multihulls rule



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Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 10:07pm
suppose we wont will we but we dont have to do that

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Chew valley lake s c
Topper(RED)-29412
I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 11:19pm
why dont you just get yourself an old moth for like 200 or 300 and then save up the 1700 your gonna need for the foil kit from lintons, lol, i hate to be the one that brought that up but thats the cheapest you can get hte kit

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Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 6:50am
Or....you could build one!!!  (And are you sure you could get a moth for 200? Somehow I doubt it!!

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Topper 41825
Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)!


Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 8:55am
go on the moth website - u can get a wide boat for 200! and its still light enough to foil with!  As far as foils go, if your happy about making carbon foils, make a ladder, box or diamond foil - self regulating but slower than lintons!

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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 10:02am
Sounds good enough to me, i would love to have a moth between all of us which we could muck about with and sail on days where there isnt too much wind, and its a boat where you dont have to be heavy to sail it well ! woo if i ever have any money i may just take up that idea but at the moment im saving for a centre main with carbon tiller, im getting there slowly !

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Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 1:36pm
hang on i though it was a topper we were going to improve not get a new boat

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Chew valley lake s c
Topper(RED)-29412
I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 2:12pm
Carbon tiller - do u really need it on a topper?!?!?! Get a carbon carp landing net handle - 10 for 6ft.

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Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 2:22pm
a what

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Chew valley lake s c
Topper(RED)-29412
I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 4:21pm

Yeah, we've got a bit side tracked!!  Which would you rather??! Hey, we could all fit on the moth though..................

HEY I've got it!! A topper trimaran!! that would be such a joke! LOL



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Topper 41825
Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)!


Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 4:43pm
lol ur so funny ellie i duno what we would do

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Chew valley lake s c
Topper(RED)-29412
I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 4:55pm

Lol yeah although sadly 3 toppers might be a bit costly !!!!

And i want the tiller to be class legal so will probably just buy the tiller they suggest!



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Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 5:34pm
Oo....that would be so funny if you were a sailing criminal!! Yeah, but if they made you take off the rudder in a race, then you just use your weight to steer!! (I've read all about it hehe....)

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Topper 41825
Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)!


Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 7:36pm
are you going to put some wings on your topper?

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Buzz591
Chew Valley Sailing club
Bristol


Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 8:37pm
You could buy a cherub for 200, then you can pretty much do what you want with it and will still be class legal so you can race it!!!

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Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 9:10pm
um were is that from

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Chew valley lake s c
Topper(RED)-29412
I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 11:01pm

go to http://www.sailingsource.com/cheub - www.sailingsource.com/cheub

find boats on there!



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Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 6:56am
Okay.........this has got really side tracked!! Im up 4 anything but do u lot want a moth or cherub or are we gonna stick 2 a topper??!

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Topper 41825
Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)!


Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 7:58am

Well to be honest a topper would be great but come on, look at the speed of the cherubs, admittedly it wouldnt be a good boat but i bet it would still fly ! I think when one comes up a cherub would be amazing especially as we wouldnt even have to race it competetively and could just muck about in it.

Is it true that cherubs are ok for lightweight people? i realise we couldnt takeit out in F5 and stuff



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           -[Franko]-
Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club
           RS600 933


Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 9:46am
cherubs are good for all people. They're designed to be for lightweights but then again i'm nearly 14 stone and not the biggest person in the fleet i don't think! If you're light they will plane really early and you'll be twin wiring upwind in no time!

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http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN
Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb


Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 9:48am

Yes, cherubs are ment for lightweights! One current boat has all up of 20 stone, but then again, me and my crew are two lardys at 26stone and we still race competivly! Jus need a gale to move

Go alone to a cheub blast, have a go or get on the mailing list from the website, say u wana go and where u are and the nearest cheub will take u for a ride



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-Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors.
Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff


Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 3:53pm
ok that does sound like fun and we could do anything with it

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Chew valley lake s c
Topper(RED)-29412
I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 3:54pm
Originally posted by andy_cherub

go to http://www.sailingsource.com/cheub - www.sailingsource.com/cheub

find boats on there!

i have tryed to go on that but it doesnt seem to work?



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Chew valley lake s c
Topper(RED)-29412
I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 4:01pm
go to http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub - www.sailingsource.com/cherub , he spelt cherub wrong in the other one

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Needs to sail more...


Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 4:01pm

http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub - www.sailingsource.com/cherub

 

try that



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Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 4:10pm
dont worry i have got it now and i dont think we want a plywood cherub im thinking more of Carbon Kevlar Nomex

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Chew valley lake s c
Topper(RED)-29412
I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 4:31pm
Yeah - ginger do you have like... a million pounds??!  I think a cherub sounds great, it'd be such a laugh! Yeah, but cherubs are only 2 man boats !!

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x--x--x<x>x--x--x
Topper 41825
Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)!


Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 4:41pm
and no 1 said anything about any women u can sit on the other side and enjoy the ride

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Chew valley lake s c
Topper(RED)-29412
I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 4:45pm
Oh yeah!!!!!!!!!  I do wanna get some skills in too though! Hey, all I could find was the freaky plywood cherub - it was on every single website (I think it's a sign... )!!

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x--x--x<x>x--x--x
Topper 41825
Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)!


Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 4:47pm
lol i dont think we would want a wooden 1 cus it would be to much work b4 we could use it

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Chew valley lake s c
Topper(RED)-29412
I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 4:49pm
Yeah I know, but wood is alright - if it's in good condition! We could always paint it in pretty colours...joke!

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x--x--x<x>x--x--x
Topper 41825
Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)!


Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 4:58pm
with ur nail varnish lol

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Chew valley lake s c
Topper(RED)-29412
I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 5:17pm

A wooden cherub is fine, as long as its not rotten! My 1st boat was a wood hull, and glass deck, pre 97 rules with asmy kite. single wire - was  wiked fun and still faster than most boats, it then lead me onto a carbon/ kevlar cherub and now im buying a 3yr old badgers nadgers cherub! Its like a drug, if u get a cherub be prepared to spend the rest of ur life in one

ps, sorry for my spellin before



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-Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors.
Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff


Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 7:19pm

Lightwieghts are fine in Cherubs, me and my crew are 20stone at the moment, and hopefully dropping to 18.5 (i need to loose some weight, am getting fat). And if there are three of you, then even better in a blow! Go 3 up.

Ply cherubs are no harder maintenance than a foam sandwhich one. And its much easier to work with. That boat looks in really good nick and would be perfect for upgrading!

The link to the advert is http://boatracer.co.uk/advertdetails.aspx?id=544 - http://boatracer.co.uk/advertdetails.aspx?id=544

Your based at Chew aren't you? Is that near Draycote? Cos if you can get Draycote i'll take you for a blast in my beast in October.



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Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry


Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 7:31pm
Oh yeah!! That'd be great! I think this wood one sounds good, but that's personal oppinion !! Do you think we should chat to frank and see??! (do u want him to go to the cinema too maybe?? )!

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x--x--x<x>x--x--x
Topper 41825
Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)!


Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 8:28pm
That one is a very good and well known design! go get it!

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-12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites'
-Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors.
Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff


Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 8:41pm

This is the same hull shape, but very different cockpit!

http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/prodigal22.php - http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/prodigal22.php



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Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry


Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 9:30pm
ginger 69 do you even know what carbon kevlar nomex is?

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Needs to sail more...


Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 9:55pm
does anyone?

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Jp Indoe
Contender 518
Buzz591
Chew Valley Sailing club
Bristol


Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 9:56pm
um no i just copy and pasted it for an advert

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Chew valley lake s c
Topper(RED)-29412
I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 9:58pm

sea falcon dont u think we should get a double trapize (wil be more fun) and might have a better chance of going faster in a newer type

 



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Chew valley lake s c
Topper(RED)-29412
I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite


Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 10:12pm
the carbon/kevlar refers to the reenforcing fibres of the hull lay-up, ie used instead of glass fibre, lighter, stronger, and stiffer.  Pure carbon or kevlar layups are good, (carbon slightly better all round) but combining the two, usually around about 25% kevlar makes a a really good all round laminate, light, stiff, strong, and durable.  The nomex refers to the sandwich core, nomex is usually used in a honeycome arrangement, it is very light and stiff.  this is not only lighter, but more efficient, and indeed stronger than the low density foams used in most boat construction.  the dowside is that it all costs a small fortune and with the current epoxies available, unless you really are desperate to save weight that there is no real need to for this extavigance.  hope this clears things up.  the SP systems site is probably as good as any to find mor info on the topic

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FLAT IS FAST!
Shifts Happen


Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 10:36pm
The only problem with nomex is that it's basically cardboard, therefore if u make a hole in ur boat then it disintegrates like paper!

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Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry


Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 10:50pm
ok so what material is best to get then taking into account that we dont relly want an old 1 and we would like a twin trapize with low maintinance

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Chew valley lake s c
Topper(RED)-29412
I14 1209
lightning-168
Whaam (cherub)
Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids)
Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite



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