Crazy Ideas!
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Topic: Crazy Ideas!
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Subject: Crazy Ideas!
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 7:10am
Do you think you could make some foils to go on a topper - drill them in, sand down the hull so it's more pointy and make a jib for it??! I think it sounds like a hilarious idea but I would like some imput!  ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 7:52am
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Lol yeah amazin idea, certainly be at the front of the fleet then Get a massive spinni aswell, god the poor 2 part mast wouldnt no what hit it ! ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 9:57am
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you can allready get a jib kit for a topper i think and u would have to try and fin a way of keeping the centerboard down ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 10:56am
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It wouldn't work, toppers can't go fast enough to get lift of speed. And even if you could, you can't use spinnakers with foils. Nice thought though. ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: lozza
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 11:00am
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Don't think the hull is rigid enough for a bowsprit either. If somebody had the moulds for the topper, could they make a carbon/epoxy version. That would be interesting! ------------- Life's a reach, then you gybe |
Posted By: yellowhammer
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 12:24pm
How about fitting a jet-ski motor to it ... give a few Cherub sailors a scare! ------------- Laser 3000 @ Leigh & Lowton SC www.3000class.org.uk |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 12:28pm
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Topper's aren't that heavy... given large enough foils and enough breeze you could probably get one flying. Wouldn't happen very often though.
Support for the daggerboard is easy enough - fit it from underneath and give it a flange that rests on the hull skin. The rudder would be a bit more fun to arrange. |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 12:44pm
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ellie, you do have some crazy ideas! here is what your foiling topper will look like, this took me over 30mins to make in Photoshop! (i'm not great with photoshop). I apoligise for this very lame effort! I give you the new TopperMoth!
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Posted By: Adds
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 1:29pm
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I don't think Tom Gruitt will be very happy with his name next to that!!!! ------------- Cheers Dudes |
Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 1:57pm
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Tom Gruitt, famous sailing photographer=tgruitt the jumping tiger It's a Jekyll and Hyde case. One (no worries, Tom, it's a funny idea anyway!) ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC 
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 2:05pm
I'm only 18, give me a break! ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 4:52pm
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Tom, I think it's fantastic - exactly what I was thinking!! Sorry....I didn't take a breath then cos it was all off the top of my head!! Has anybody ever tried anything like this??! (I really think this would be so fun, honest)! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 1:34am
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It is a stupid idea. So get on and do it so everyone who watches can have a good laugh. (adding weights & "Heftiness" may not be the best plan to acieve lift off though...) |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 2:23am
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There you go TOM. Don't let those nasty people have a go at your
Photoshop skills, I bet they can't take shot's like you.  ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 6:24am
| If you can get the photo right in the first place who needs photoshop? |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 7:06am
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You're in a good mood today blobby aren't you??! I think theses photos are crazy (thanks too Jack Sparrow)! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 10:11am
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Besides, being 18 isn't an excuse - you've got talent and you're stuck with it Sorry again ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 12:05pm
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No worries BNS i was only kidding! Jack sparrow, thats amazing, you will have to give me a photoshop lesson, i managed to select the topper perfectly but it wouldn't let me mover it over the other images so i gave up and used a combination of photoshop and paint! ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 12:21pm
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Ahh it's all in the wrist
Tom when we meet up next I'll give you a few tips. BNS... you'ed be amazed just how much retouching goes on even on those prefect photographs you talk about. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 12:57pm
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[/QUOTE] BNS... you'ed be amazed just how much retouching goes on even on oh no you have given away my secret! Saying that I hardly ever use editing on my photos, the photos you see are the photos I have taken, I only ever use a small bit of sharpening and level the horizons sometimes thats all i promise! ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 3:53pm
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 4:11pm
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you gotta have a really flat kite though! else the apparant comes too far forward, great pic! ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 6:24pm
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Wow - that's pretty smooth!! Has anyone else ever thought of completely modifying a boat (not neccesarily their own)?? and WOW, WOW and double WOW!! We have some crazy photographers on this forum!! Everybody has to go on Fotoboat.com right now!! It's awesome... ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 6:58pm
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Talking about Photoshop jobs, do you remember the foiling Wayfarer a few months ago? It puzzled some members... Wanna see it again? ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC
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Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 02 Jul 05 at 9:04am
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Yes please!!!! And your results are brilliant - I had a look and that's crazy! Good ole bns, I'm sure you'll win it all next time!! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 02 Jul 05 at 7:25pm
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Here it is, in all its glory:
and the accompanying text:
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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 02 Jul 05 at 7:28pm
OOOOOOPS, I meant to say: many thanks to Garry  , who sent me the pics in the first place  ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC
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Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 03 Jul 05 at 9:46am
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Hehe!! Cheers...that's a great photo! And good ole gary, whoever he is!! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: hydrographer20
Date Posted: 03 Jul 05 at 10:34am
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woh that is a truly great photo, it all wayfarers were like that then id be there ------------- byte me!- GBR 814 |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 03 Jul 05 at 6:57pm
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Haha, that's a good point - I think they should do that to attract new sailors cos a lot of my mates think wayfarers are unbelievably slow!! I swear that'd be no end to improvement if they put foils on wayfarers!! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: hydrographer20
Date Posted: 03 Jul 05 at 7:56pm
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yes i totally agree i see wayfares as slow boats used for primarily teaching, but with foils they look really fun! ------------- byte me!- GBR 814 |
Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 03 Jul 05 at 9:08pm
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Have a look at the photo name: http://www.alteredimages.con - www.alteredimages.con . It's about as real as that foiling Wayfarer ! What are they going to put on foils next? The marker buoys? ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC
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Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 04 Jul 05 at 12:06pm
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which person are you on the results (black no sugar) ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 04 Jul 05 at 4:40pm
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Isabelle Jackson (silly , look on her profile lmao)!!!! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 04 Jul 05 at 5:02pm
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Whilst on holiday me and ed have decided we might eventually buy a cheap topper and 'modify' it so that should be fun. Although we were both finding it hard to walk in a straight line at that point ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 04 Jul 05 at 5:06pm
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Oi, cheeky beggar!!! I wanted 2 do that - I was gonna put foils n a jib n spinnaker on it!!! Only difference is, I could walk in a straight line then!!! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 04 Jul 05 at 5:19pm
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Lol yep, we could all pay a third each seeing as we all sail at the same place ! ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 04 Jul 05 at 6:59pm
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ye we might be able to find and cheep 1 somewere for about £100 and customize over time and we can be trying to walk in a straight line ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 04 Jul 05 at 8:18pm
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sounds like a good idea, loved to see it action but the mast might need some modification ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 04 Jul 05 at 9:38pm
Yeah it would, i think the topper mast would snap with a kite, or a trapeze ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 04 Jul 05 at 9:50pm
Yipeeeeee! Trapezing a Topper!!!  I've had a go at a Contender yesterday, I want one now! What about a carbon mast with spreaders, stays, shrouds and trapeze wires? Either the mast would snap or the hull would rip open  We need to work on the design, boys and girls... Any engineers amongst you? ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC
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Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 7:34am
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No!! I was going to go on an engineering thing for a day jus to get out of school but....I'm not sure that really counts!! Yeah you'd have to either buy a bigger mast (make the mast cup, or whatever bigger) or use a much heftier downhaul or I dunno! Would we need to sand the bottom down to make it pointier??! Cos a lot of like the moths e.t.c have quite a prominent hull! I would put a picture in but the computer was being daft!! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: lozza
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 8:58am
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The topper hull isn't very stiff (especially if you get a cheap old one). Why not get two toppers and make a cat, call it a topcat or something, bit more room for modifications then... ------------- Life's a reach, then you gybe |
Posted By: Peter Rhodes
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 9:56am
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why not leave the modyfying a topper hull and either use it as a mould for a stiff enough hull or make one out of plywood ------------- |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 10:12am
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Lads, you know you wana get a cherub! Trust me - ul fit in fine with these ideas!! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 11:31am
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Yeah i know but somehow i dont think me and my friends (ginger69 and theseafalcon) can quite handle something which can match and beat 49er speed!!! Would be amazing fun tho ! ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 12:06pm
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ye i think we need to think about what we would do and the strong and weak points on a toper ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: Peter Rhodes
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 12:20pm
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obviously the unstayed rig is very inefficent using a lever effect to resist the rig loads with avery short lever hence not very good, therefore the place to start would be with putting a stayed mast on it deck stepped to avoid snaping at deck level like a keel steped one will, therefore a king post and chainplates would be required with frames to stop it being squished like a clam and something to stop it bending longitudially under the rig loads eg tension. ------------- |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 1:26pm
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For simlicaty for rigging why not tie a peice of string to the top of the mast trapize off that then for the tacks swing yourself around the bow, the gybes might be eisier to swing around the back
------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 2:58pm
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yes that would be fun ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 4:21pm
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Oh yeah, whatever granite.... Hey ed, waverider, I reckon we should write up a list of what we want to change and all that jazz!! Oh, and I had a look for a cheapy topper and the cheapest was £275 argh!!! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
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- That would be just under £100 each and that's loads! I can't do that... I quite like the topcat idea though...two hulls and then you could have a rudder system that connected to the centre (and I won't shut up now Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 4:25pm
make the mast cup bigger, do the cup sizes come as the same as bra sizes? ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 5:26pm
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o ye ellie can u delite some of ur pms cus i cant send u any more and ye ellie u would no about the bra size thing ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 5:27pm
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o ye and we need to know if we are going to use ither foils or topcat thing cus we cant have both or can we? ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 6:37pm
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Yeah!! I'm not sure about the bra size/mast cup size thing!! I know all about bra sizes, but I know nothing about mast cup sizes!! I reckon foils is much better cos although the top cat is a crazy idea, the hulls would be to wide - there would be sooooooo much friction!! What do you think??! (Oh and, of course I'll get rid of some pm messages, ta)!! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 9:24pm
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we i dont mind cus its w/e we think we can make ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 9:36pm
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one of the problems with the "topcat" is you wont be able to sail it at chew cause of the no multihulls rule ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 10:07pm
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suppose we wont will we but we dont have to do that ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 11:19pm
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why dont you just get yourself an old moth for like 200 or 300 and then save up the £1700 your gonna need for the foil kit from lintons, lol, i hate to be the one that brought that up but thats the cheapest you can get hte kit ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 6:50am
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Or....you could build one!!! (And are you sure you could get a moth for 200? Somehow I doubt it!! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 8:55am
go on the moth website - u can get a wide boat for £200! and its still light enough to foil with!  As far as foils go, if your happy about making carbon foils, make a ladder, box or diamond foil - self regulating but slower than lintons!------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 10:02am
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Sounds good enough to me, i would love to have a moth between all of us which we could muck about with and sail on days where there isnt too much wind, and its a boat where you dont have to be heavy to sail it well ! woo if i ever have any money i may just take up that idea but at the moment im saving for a centre main with carbon tiller, im getting there slowly ! ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 1:36pm
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hang on i though it was a topper we were going to improve not get a new boat ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 2:12pm
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Carbon tiller - do u really need it on a topper?!?!?! Get a carbon carp landing net handle - £10 for 6ft. ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 2:22pm
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a what ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 4:21pm
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Yeah, we've got a bit side tracked!! HEY I've got it!! A topper trimaran!! that would be such a joke! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 4:43pm
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lol ur so funny ellie i duno what we would do ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 4:55pm
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Lol yeah although sadly 3 toppers might be a bit costly !!!! And i want the tiller to be class legal so will probably just buy the tiller they suggest! ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 5:34pm
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Oo....that would be so funny if you were a sailing criminal!! Yeah, but if they made you take off the rudder in a race, then you just use your weight to steer!! (I've read all about it hehe....) ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 7:36pm
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are you going to put some wings on your topper? ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 8:37pm
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You could buy a cherub for £200, then you can pretty much do what you want with it and will still be class legal so you can race it!!! ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 9:10pm
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um were is that from ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 06 Jul 05 at 11:01pm
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go to http://www.sailingsource.com/cheub - www.sailingsource.com/cheub find boats on there! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 6:56am
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Okay.........this has got really side tracked!! Im up 4 anything but do u lot want a moth or cherub or are we gonna stick 2 a topper??! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 7:58am
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Well to be honest a topper would be great but come on, look at the speed of the cherubs, admittedly it wouldnt be a good boat but i bet it would still fly ! I think when one comes up a cherub would be amazing especially as we wouldnt even have to race it competetively and could just muck about in it. Is it true that cherubs are ok for lightweight people? i realise we couldnt takeit out in F5 and stuff ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 9:46am
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cherubs are good for all people. They're designed to be for
lightweights but then again i'm nearly 14 stone and not the biggest
person in the fleet i don't think! If you're light they will plane
really early and you'll be twin wiring upwind in no time!
------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 9:48am
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Yes, cherubs are ment for lightweights! One current boat has all up of 20 stone, but then again, me and my crew are two lardys at 26stone and we still race competivly! Jus need a gale to move Go alone to a cheub blast, have a go or get on the mailing list from the website, say u wana go and where u are and the nearest cheub will take u for a ride ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 3:53pm
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ok that does sound like fun and we could do anything with it ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 3:54pm
i have tryed to go on that but it doesnt seem to work? ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 4:01pm
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go to http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub - www.sailingsource.com/cherub , he spelt cherub wrong in the other one ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 4:01pm
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http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub - www.sailingsource.com/cherub
try that ------------- |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 4:10pm
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dont worry i have got it now and i dont think we want a plywood cherub im thinking more of Carbon Kevlar Nomex ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 4:31pm
Yeah - ginger do you have like... a million pounds??! I think a cherub sounds great, it'd be such a laugh! Yeah, but cherubs are only 2 man boats  !! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 4:41pm
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and no 1 said anything about any women u can sit on the other side and enjoy the ride ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 4:45pm
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Oh yeah!!!!!!!!! I do wanna get some skills in too though! Hey, all I could find was the freaky plywood cherub - it was on every single website (I think it's a sign... )!! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 4:47pm
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lol i dont think we would want a wooden 1 cus it would be to much work b4 we could use it ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 4:49pm
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Yeah I know, but wood is alright - if it's in good condition! We could always paint it in pretty colours...joke! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 4:58pm
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with ur nail varnish lol ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 5:17pm
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A wooden cherub is fine, as long as its not rotten! My 1st boat was a wood hull, and glass deck, pre 97 rules with asmy kite. single wire - was wiked fun and still faster than most boats, it then lead me onto a carbon/ kevlar cherub and now im buying a 3yr old badgers nadgers cherub! Its like a drug, if u get a cherub be prepared to spend the rest of ur life in one ps, sorry for my spellin before ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 7:19pm
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Lightwieghts are fine in Cherubs, me and my crew are 20stone at the moment, and hopefully dropping to 18.5 (i need to loose some weight, am getting fat). And if there are three of you, then even better in a blow! Go 3 up. Ply cherubs are no harder maintenance than a foam sandwhich one. And its much easier to work with. That boat looks in really good nick and would be perfect for upgrading! The link to the advert is http://boatracer.co.uk/advertdetails.aspx?id=544 - http://boatracer.co.uk/advertdetails.aspx?id=544 Your based at Chew aren't you? Is that near Draycote? Cos if you can get Draycote i'll take you for a blast in my beast in October. ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 7:31pm
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Oh yeah!! That'd be great! I think this wood one sounds good, but that's personal oppinion !! Do you think we should chat to frank and see??! (do u want him to go to the cinema too maybe?? )! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 8:28pm
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That one is a very good and well known design! go get it! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 8:41pm
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This is the same hull shape, but very different cockpit! http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/prodigal22.php - http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/prodigal22.php ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 9:30pm
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ginger 69 do you even know what carbon kevlar nomex is? ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 9:55pm
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does anyone? ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 9:56pm
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um no i just copy and pasted it for an advert ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 9:58pm
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sea falcon dont u think we should get a double trapize (wil be more fun) and might have a better chance of going faster in a newer type
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Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 10:12pm
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the carbon/kevlar refers to the reenforcing fibres of the hull lay-up, ie used instead of glass fibre, lighter, stronger, and stiffer. Pure carbon or kevlar layups are good, (carbon slightly better all round) but combining the two, usually around about 25% kevlar makes a a really good all round laminate, light, stiff, strong, and durable. The nomex refers to the sandwich core, nomex is usually used in a honeycome arrangement, it is very light and stiff. this is not only lighter, but more efficient, and indeed stronger than the low density foams used in most boat construction. the dowside is that it all costs a small fortune and with the current epoxies available, unless you really are desperate to save weight that there is no real need to for this extavigance. hope this clears things up. the SP systems site is probably as good as any to find mor info on the topic ------------- FLAT IS FAST! Shifts Happen |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 10:36pm
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The only problem with nomex is that it's basically cardboard, therefore if u make a hole in ur boat then it disintegrates like paper! ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 07 Jul 05 at 10:50pm
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ok so what material is best to get then taking into account that we dont relly want an old 1 and we would like a twin trapize with low maintinance ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |