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Topic: musto skiff vs RS700 vs RS600?
Posted By: Adamk93
Subject: musto skiff vs RS700 vs RS600?
Date Posted: 11 Aug 09 at 8:21pm
probably an over asked question but i can't find the topic anywhere

I'm 65 kg, am nearly 17yrs old and have been racing the 29er as a helm (sometimes dabling as a crew) at high level for 3 years (just did the worlds). I have also sailed other boats on occassion (29erxx rs 600) but im soon to make the big leap and i would like to know which boat would be most suitable (im a mental speed freak who loves waves btw ). Any thoughts out there? any and all help welcome.


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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 11 Aug 09 at 9:03pm
pulls up chair..

pass the pop corn.

this could be fun.

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Posted By: zailor
Date Posted: 11 Aug 09 at 9:04pm
Im 18 and 60 KG and am off to Minorca sailing and intend to hit the MPS and RS700 with force so I'll let you know when I get back


Posted By: Adamk93
Date Posted: 11 Aug 09 at 9:17pm
hey I've sailed the 29er singlehanded quite a lot, and when the crew on the XX decided he was bored of hanging off a wire i sailed that singlehandedi think you'll be disappointed (hopefully)


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Posted By: s.a.l.t.y
Date Posted: 12 Aug 09 at 12:14am
Musto Skiff is the best. But most expensive. If the money
was there i would choose this over any of them.

600 is 2nd i reckon and at the prices you can pick them
up at the moment they are by far the best value for
money. Even though downwind sailing without a kite is
rubbish unless its windy.

700 i think is the worst of the 3. From what ive heard
from people who've had/sailed them they aren't very good.
They have a ridiculous handicap too.

If i had the money to buy a Musto Skiff then that would
definately be what i would buy. If i didnt have that much
to spend i would rather spend something like 3000 on a
newer and top condition 600 than spend the same on an old
probably not so good condition 700.
This is what i decided when i was looking for a new boat
recently and im so glad i went for a young and very good
condition 600.



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Posted By: Jamie600
Date Posted: 12 Aug 09 at 12:24am

 

The topic has been raised and discussed at length on here previously but the short answer is - if you intend to sail mainly windward/leeward courses then get either a Musto or RS700 (see past threads entitled Musto vs RS700 for arguments for and against each - please nobody open that can of worms again!); or if it's round the cans then an RS600 would be the one to go for. Add salty's cost argument to the equation and you should be somewhere near the answer.



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Posted By: Ian29937
Date Posted: 12 Aug 09 at 12:30am
Originally posted by Jamie600

(see past threads entitled Musto vs RS700 for arguments for and against each - please nobody open that can of worms again

Oh why not, I was looking forward to seeing the same old arguments trotted out again.  I've even got the popcorn on and have pulled up a chair next to G.R.F.



Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 12 Aug 09 at 8:55am
Yes come on, lots of us newbies haven't heard the argument. I've often
wondered why the 700 isn't as popular as the MPS even though very very
few folk can ever say they've mastered an MPS in all conditions and I've
heard the 700 is easier to sail.

Why is the 700 listed as faster when evidence seems to suggest it isn't.

Was it the result of a better marketing war waged by the MPS'ers who I
must admit do a superb job and they are keen and eager to help would be
riders even though for some of us it's a hopeless cause.

It's a shame the boat is so difficult to master, because the class must rate
as one that would be easy to crack from a winning a championship point
of view, dominated as it is by one bod.

(Lights blue touch paper and retires)

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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 12 Aug 09 at 9:09am

Originally posted by s.a.l.t.y

Musto Skiff is the best. But most expensive. If the money
was there i would choose this over any of them.

600 is 2nd i reckon and at the prices you can pick them
up at the moment they are by far the best value for
money. Even though downwind sailing without a kite is
rubbish unless its windy.

700 i think is the worst of the 3. From what ive heard
from people who've had/sailed them they aren't very good.
They have a ridiculous handicap too.

If i had the money to buy a Musto Skiff then that would
definately be what i would buy. If i didnt have that much
to spend i would rather spend something like 3000 on a
newer and top condition 600 than spend the same on an old
probably not so good condition 700.
This is what i decided when i was looking for a new boat
recently and im so glad i went for a young and very good
condition 600.


Salty i'm not really sure you should bash the 700 if you havnt sailed one fella!  I'm sure they are a great boat with no doubt some small faults.  But from what i have heard they are a bit more stable then the 6 and the musto.  The musto has obvious pedigree and the quality of both the boat and the fleet is without question.  The 600 seems to of aged really over the past few years, they are great boats (even if i struggled when i borrowed one) but i would be putting my money into a Musto if i has it or a 700 if i didn't.  Last time i checked did the 700 not have abigger open meeting attendance to the 6?



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Posted By: 600sailor670
Date Posted: 12 Aug 09 at 11:48am

mental speed freak = hydrofoils

buy cheap 600 and whack foils on it, or buy a boat with the package already fitted out, there's one on the class association website going for 3850

Just an idea



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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 12 Aug 09 at 2:08pm

Just get some test sails done and you'll soon work it out.

If you can get you act together quick you could do the Europeans in Garda ...

At present there are 75 entries



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Posted By: zailor
Date Posted: 12 Aug 09 at 8:20pm
Quick attempt to hijack the thread.
Whats easyer to sail for a 60KG person 700 or mps?


Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 12 Aug 09 at 11:15pm
I think it's fair to say both will challenge you at 60kgs ... I don;t know what the comparative sail areas are; have you looked?

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Posted By: zailor
Date Posted: 13 Aug 09 at 5:29pm
Ye musto's smaller but then if the 700 is wider, more righting bla bla then less sail may mean less.

Anyway im flying out tomorow I'll find out


Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 14 Aug 09 at 4:28pm

I just bought a 700 a while back, hadnt trapeze helmed before and traded in a 4 year old laser and got a 4 year old 7 for 150 difference, bargin i say! Being a laser sailor it was quite a jump but i have been able to hit the 20knot barrier a couple of times and that is such a great feeling!

Am i right in thinking you are chichester based? I sail at warsash and find the water a bit small especially on the shorter club races, especially when i was first starting in the boat lots of corners close together made for some hectic boat handling! Make sure you have access to a big (and deep) stretch of water for learning!

If you buy a 700 make sure you get one with intermediate bars, you will have the wings at full width so bars are needed, i have them and i am 80kg and over 6ft. 

Try and get a boat with 2 kites and a decent main, but they do last ages so not too important, they do shrink so you may need to get the luff cord released to get it to depower properly, just look out for holes in the material at the ends of the battens because they are common though not particularly a worry!

If you want speed without a massive learning curve then the 7 has to be the right boat, you will fly in the light stuff and there is always the flattening reef for the breeze, the raking board also will help you a lot and your trapeze skill from the 29er will give you a headstart over me!  Then you can move on to the slightly more refined musto when you know its the right time, then it can get expensive!



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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 14 Aug 09 at 4:44pm
Originally posted by laser193713

... then it can get expensive!

One of the key issues to consider with cost is the level of depreciation.

Whilst one boat may be cheap to buy you should consider what you are likely to get when you sell it ...

I sold MPS #093 for 4900 in 2003, number 092 is currently for sale at 4400 ...

 

 



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Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 15 Aug 09 at 12:00am
Of course, but at 16, or 18 when i bought my boat, i couldnt afford the step up in price from my laser which i sold to a musto, so i bought a good 700 for 150 more than the laser was sold for, i can afford the 150 but to get a musto of the same spec i would have to have had 1500 to spare at the time, which i didnt!

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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 15 Aug 09 at 8:34am
Yeah; there is the challenge of course of finding the cash in the first place ...

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