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22.2knots in an Albacore

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Topic: 22.2knots in an Albacore
Posted By: Skiffman
Subject: 22.2knots in an Albacore
Date Posted: 23 Oct 07 at 9:39am

has this already been discussed but really what a load of rubbish. There is only 1 way an albacore to manage 22 knots and that would be surfing down the wave of a tsunami!!! We were happy to get just over 20 in our 49er on flat water in 18knots of wind.

This is even more ridiculas than the blaze...

heres the link... http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/speedfreaks/?s=3&USFN=154 - http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/speedfreaks/?s=3&USFN=1 54



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Posted By: MpHarris
Date Posted: 23 Oct 07 at 9:51am
Maybe it was being towed by some monster power boat?

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Posted By: Skiffe
Date Posted: 23 Oct 07 at 10:10am

deleted see other thread.



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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 23 Oct 07 at 10:50am
Maybe it's a new all carbon skiff Albacore?

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Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 23 Oct 07 at 11:23am

Hmmm, my thoughts are on this thread...shall we keep it in one place?

http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3497&PN=1&TPN=2 - http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3 497&PN=1&TPN=2



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Posted By: Skiffybob
Date Posted: 23 Oct 07 at 4:37pm
I saw one being towed by a Porsche the other day, perhaps it was this one...


Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 23 Oct 07 at 7:52pm

Time for a protest hearing?????? Or does the RYA charter apply and we go to mediation???

Come on Mr Jardine what do you think???



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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 23 Oct 07 at 9:00pm
I sailed Albacores for a while and they are great boats, but there is NO WAY that one would manage 22 knots!  I would thought 12 knots is very quick in one and even at that speed the spray blinds you !  I think that has just made a farce of the whole competition!!!

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Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 24 Oct 07 at 5:10pm
Ive sailed my dads Albacore in big breeze and NEVER wuda come close to 22 knots! would of thought the boat have been sucked into the water before that point!

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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 24 Oct 07 at 7:07pm
The figures don't lie.
You're all just jealous that there is a sailor in this country that is far superior to you all and can, in fact, make the seemingly impossible possible!!
You may take your cherubs, 14s, 12s out in a bit of breeze and hit some good speeds but clearly this albacore guy was wayyy more hardcore and has beaten you all at your own game!!
Well done Mister Albacore - I salute you!



Posted By: Neal_g
Date Posted: 24 Oct 07 at 7:15pm

I have solved this issue of albacore master boat speed obviously the boat has been race prepared nicely wet and dried but i could easily hit 22 knots in most boats in the right conditions

the problem all the cherubs have had is inland sailing quite cleary your never going to get any speed up at all on a lake due to the lack of surfing style waves and the biggy favourable tide blast through plas menai on a ripping spring tide 6-7 knots favourable tide all you got to get is a comfortable 15-16 knots of boat speed and hey presto badda boom 22 knots on ya GPS



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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 24 Oct 07 at 10:02pm
Or it could have been on the River Severn. I managed 6.5kts sideways underneath the old Severn Bridge, with bare poles in 5kts of breeze in a Hanse 300 in the summer, with sails up that would have been well over 12kts in a 29ft cruiser on the GPS. A bit of a breeze and a few waves in the mix and your Albacore could pop 20kts. Fast boats in a blow the old Albacore !


Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 25 Oct 07 at 9:04am
Haha, ive sailed on the sea my entire life. I know Albacores can stonk along and become like a weapon in the big stuff, even tho it lacks what most other boats have in this speed, a spinnaker. But unless you had some HUGE fast cat ferry waves and a monsterous ripping tide. Seriously, 22 knots in an albacore?!?! If he really did it fair play, id like to see this boat, is it uber light, wings, trapeze maybe

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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 25 Oct 07 at 9:13am
It's an 18 foot skiff sponsored by a company called 'Albacore'... someone must have just got confused somewhere along the line!

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Posted By: Fin.
Date Posted: 25 Oct 07 at 9:53am

From the Albacore class website....    (definitely not a 18footer).

http://www.albacore.org.uk/results/2007/internationals2007.htm - http://www.albacore.org.uk/results/2007/internationals2007.h tm

Looks it as if the Albacore's almost had  several contenders for the speed-freaks.  Guess it must have been windy F5-6 etc...! 

good on them.

...Been great reading this discussion... some great comments/opinions!!

- just because, its not got  trapeezes and not made of carbon and doesn't have an assymetric kite, it doesn't mean it's no good/fast (i.e.  skiffers).  

/fin

PS - I am a skiffer as well.

 



Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 25 Oct 07 at 10:12am
haha, i was only kidding about the trapeze/ carbon stuff! really must learn sarcasm donest work over this!

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Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 25 Oct 07 at 10:15am
Ok I retract my previous statements, just read that link!! FAIR PLAY!!!  

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Posted By: Fin.
Date Posted: 25 Oct 07 at 10:25am

Andy - to be fair, I am relatively new to skiff  - been messing around on a 5000 this  summer - so don't take my crticisms too seriously!

In a blow, at the moment  I think I'd  prefer the Albacore -  spent some very wet days this year being blown to bits on the L5K (it was : F4-5 gusting F6!).  may be not the  best training conditions!

fin

 



Posted By: MpHarris
Date Posted: 25 Oct 07 at 10:34am

Without putting a dampner on things, as was mentioned in the other post about the blaze at bala, surely this just means there was a blip in the GPS in the area rather than the boat hitting these speeds.  Especially as all of the high speeds were in the same place over a relatively short amount of time.



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Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 25 Oct 07 at 11:46am
confirms what many of us have known for some time, 1066 is wayyyyyy to generous a PY for the Albi   - by the way skiffies, don't get all condescending about this, if you think light weight and massive rags are the way forward, get out there and prove it!

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Posted By: Neal_g
Date Posted: 25 Oct 07 at 1:09pm

or it could just be the problem with gps all together the amercians made and own it



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Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 25 Oct 07 at 2:39pm
Originally posted by Neal_g

or it could just be the problem with gps all together the amercians made and own it



so US albi's go quicker?  perhaps it works in skiffs too???, was wandering how that howie hamlin goes so darn fast ....


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Posted By: IanW
Date Posted: 25 Oct 07 at 4:49pm
I think it was a british Albacore not a yank


Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 25 Oct 07 at 4:53pm
I think the point he was making is that the whole Global Positioning System is American... not that the Albacore Turbo in question was American.

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Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 25 Oct 07 at 6:27pm
My next cherub is going to be a scaled Albacore

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Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 25 Oct 07 at 7:01pm
Hmmm...I just dont buy it. A 109kg hull with 11 meters of sail area, It just dosn't add up!

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Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 25 Oct 07 at 7:04pm
well clearly the GPS couldnt count it either

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Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 25 Oct 07 at 7:27pm
I'm definatly not convinced

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Posted By: DiscoBall
Date Posted: 25 Oct 07 at 8:25pm
Originally posted by Ross

Hmmm...I just dont buy it. A 109kg hull with 11 meters of sail area, It just dosn't add up!


You're missing out the tear in the fabric of the space/time continuum......
 


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Date Posted: 25 Oct 07 at 8:34pm

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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 25 Oct 07 at 9:10pm
I sailed albs for ages and it dont add up, i have been that fast in the 14 and that is quick!!! you just couldnt do it in an Alb, they are great boats and very fast, faster then some people give them credit for, but 22.2 knots aint possible! i'm sorry

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Posted By: Skiffybob
Date Posted: 26 Oct 07 at 8:18pm

Let's all lobby the RYA to get the PY dropped to....oh about 780?

Sounds fair to me.



Posted By: henryp
Date Posted: 27 Oct 07 at 2:26am
Not to toot my own horn or anything....

But I'm one of those mentioned that hit 19.8 knots in an Albacore the day after Chris T hit 22 kt.

All I'm going to say is that it is possible with the right combination of wind and waves and I've repeated it since.

It's a regular occurrence that I can hit 17+ knots boat speed in an Albacore offwind in 20 knots of breeze with waves 2-3 feet.

To the nay sayers, come for a ride with me and find out for yourselves.




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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 27 Oct 07 at 10:29am

Originally posted by henryp

Not to toot my own horn or anything....

But I'm one of those mentioned that hit 19.8 knots in an Albacore the day after Chris T hit 22 kt.

All I'm going to say is that it is possible with the right combination of wind and waves and I've repeated it since.

It's a regular occurrence that I can hit 17+ knots boat speed in an Albacore offwind in 20 knots of breeze with waves 2-3 feet.

To the nay sayers, come for a ride with me and find out for yourselves.


You say you hit 19.8kts - was that a peak speed, care to show us the GPS plot ?



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Posted By: I luv Wight
Date Posted: 27 Oct 07 at 12:41pm
an Alb looking fast!



but not that (22 kts )fast.

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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 27 Oct 07 at 12:42pm
pic isnt working

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Posted By: Sprint Bob
Date Posted: 27 Oct 07 at 1:29pm

These are the comments from another (capable) Brit who was in the Albacore Worlds.

"I've no idea.  The two fastest times were the past and present world champions.  The gps units were provided by a 3rd party who supplies the unit, not the boat owners, so they were about as independent as they get.  It was very windy F6 I guess and there were some reasonable waves, although not huge as it was off the land.  The tide was never very strong, less than 0.5 knots.  We didn't get out to the race area where it was the windiest as we were turned back for the abandonment of the race before we got there.  I helmed upwind on the way back and it was pretty tough going."




Posted By: Skiffybob
Date Posted: 27 Oct 07 at 4:54pm

If they're doing it regularly, then maybe 780's a bit generous.

Any advance on 750?



Posted By: henryp
Date Posted: 27 Oct 07 at 7:06pm
Originally posted by Scooby_simon

You say you hit 19.8kts - was that a peak speed, care to show us the GPS plot ?



19.8 knots peak.  It was for a short distance - about 20 metres.  Max sustained was approximately 16.5 if memory serves.


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Posted By: DiscoBall
Date Posted: 27 Oct 07 at 7:07pm
Bob -  slightly lower PY than a foiling moth seems best...


Posted By: BarnsieB14768
Date Posted: 31 Oct 07 at 12:06am

Hi Guys,

The discussion is interesting and more civil than some that have been read on another website. In the B14s we now have several Velocitek S10s and though they require regular battery changes, do give us accurate information. WE are also running Garmin Foretrex 201s and find they are also providing good data. The processing of the info is very easy via the velocitek unit. We raced last weekend in a force 5 gusting 6 and our top sustained speeds across the fleet was 18.9 knots on both types of units.

Last year we had a sustained speed of 26.2 knots at the Grafham Grand Prix and 28.1 knots with tide at the Starcross Steamer (see the B14 Readycrest) in the B14 calender on fotoboat. Usually bad reports occur due to the wrong placing of the GPS butsometimes you can get a spike but this is incredibly rare on the water. If indeed the Albacore speed is correct, it will be near impossible to beat due to the boat's handicap but if the wind is up and water flat enough (chop/swell waves slow hte baot down at top speed as sailing through over them), the B14 Class Association will have a crack at sneaking the top slot. Second last year to the RS300 gybing down a wave and clocking 23.1 knots from its boom.

Anyway a great bit of fun and self publicity and should be take in the light hearted manner it is meant to be.

Bye for now - Barnsie - B14 768 - Seavolution



Posted By: Franco
Date Posted: 31 Oct 07 at 10:21am
Update and Google earth track now up online.


Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 31 Oct 07 at 11:33am
i think a day on the water in 30knts at grafham is calling all skiff sailors, in a attempt to get near the supposed speed of 22.2knts

wonder if i can do that speed in the spice...


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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 07 Jan 22 at 1:17pm
I think he means this one Smile

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