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Topic: Crazy, but did it anyway
Posted By: headfry
Subject: Crazy, but did it anyway
Date Posted: 08 Sep 06 at 2:53pm
Not sure if this tread has already been covered, fogive me if it has.

Reading between lines on recent threads, it seems some have tried to 're design/adjust'  aspects of their boat, and good on them! ie different sails etc.!

What crazy mods have you made to your boat and why? did it work out?  did you do it just for the pure fun of it?  'cos you could!





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Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 08 Sep 06 at 2:57pm
well apparently you can put an RS600 sail on an RS300, dont think it goes upwind aswell but its supposed to have shifted dowonwind

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Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 08 Sep 06 at 5:08pm

Where shall we start?

Threw all alloy spars, rudder, stock and sails away.  Angle ground off half the stem, first few feet of topsides, entire foredeck and spaceframe.  Added "snout" and new domed foredeck and self tacker.  Pole is a piece of beefed-up RS800 topmast which now slides through a piece of 49er spinny pole as it's tube, pole moved from offset to centreline.  Sat salvaged RS600 mast with home made balsa & carbon spreaders on top of ex RS800 mast (as a stump to gooseneck). Bespoke shrouds, caps, D2s and forestay all added.  Added deep teardrop carbon boom. Glued on racks and wheelie bars made from scrap RS800 masts with a total of 12 footloops made from plastic tubing and rope.  Angle ground out half the tunnel and added foam/carbom kickbars.  Wrote a spreadsheet in excel to make a NACA0010 rudder jig at 195mm chord, routed blade from cedar and sheathed in carbon to fit in a repaired Winder Fireball rudder stock.  Sheathed hideous old daggerboard at the same time (must make a new one!)  Added carbon fishing poles as tiller extensions and twin wires.  Full fit out including continous kicker out to the racks.  Painted the whole thing yellow, put on some nice big kevlar bespoke Redeye sails and an RS800 kite.

From...

To...

 

Well, you did ask...



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Posted By: headfry
Date Posted: 08 Sep 06 at 5:17pm
Good Lord!!!!!

You lost me at the angle grinder stage!

Was this all inflicted on the one boat? Well done any photos?


Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 08 Sep 06 at 5:19pm
we need a before and after in there Iain... you know you want to


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Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 08 Sep 06 at 6:42pm

Headfry, yes, all on the same boat.

Noycey, just for you...



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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 08 Sep 06 at 6:45pm
I dunno if I'm alone in holding this opinion... but i liked it better before

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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 08 Sep 06 at 8:06pm
Cracking pics there... little worried about the hail of anti cherub remarks, but cracking pics...

Really should finish mine one of these days...



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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 08 Sep 06 at 8:28pm
That's a great job you've done there Iain!  Nice pictures and a nice boat

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Posted By: jamesint505
Date Posted: 08 Sep 06 at 10:35pm
I do like the look of it on the water looks superb and i wanna go.Bet it shifts!

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Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 11 Sep 06 at 5:01pm

Under the heading of planned but never undertaken.

Take one 1960s Hornet, remove unnecesary wood (all but the 4 planks that make form the hull form). Add shallow double skin and space frame. Thrash living $&! out of it.

Sadly, I had more in the way of ideas than garage space and cash at the time so took the second most exciting option and sacrificed it to god of hellfire instead!



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Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 10:36am
Boats that could be built super light using modern materials versus their original weight vs power ratio: Osprey, Hornet, Fireball, 505, Solo(!), Blaze X, ISO, Buzz, Boss, L5000, L4000, L2000, RS400, RS200 ... you could go on a long time

One boat I always thought was right for a bit of garage customisation was the N12, now if you took a bigger stick, higher aspect upwind sails (think i14/49er) and big assy plus added nice wide hiking racks (B14 style) then I think you might be on a winner, have to go for a shute for the kite so perhaps a foredeck-less design might be best 'donor' to start with (no way would you want to get as far forward as a bag for launching!)

T-foil rudder might help in the nose dive/pitching dept and would probably need to bond in some foam bouyancy as dodging the bags as you run across rack-to-rack might be a bit of an obstacle course.  May as well go for a dagger bd as well for good measure.

Basically a big rig, 12ft, lightweight B14 with raking rig......


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Posted By: GraemeB
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 10:46am
Why bother...you can pick up a great B14 for a very resonable price and go sailing. Great deals on the web site....!!


Posted By: foaminatthedeck
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 12:48pm

Why bother...you can pick up a great B14 for a very resonable price and go sailing. Great deals on the web site....!! (don't know how to quote things so just cut and pasted from one abve)

Because to do it would be cool, not senable maybe but cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ps if someone has garage space in plymouth out wants to pay for bits ill do it to my national



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Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 12:55pm

Originally posted by getafix

Boats that could be built super light using modern materials versus their original weight vs power ratio: Osprey, Hornet, Fireball, 505, Solo(!), Blaze X, ISO, Buzz, Boss, L5000, L4000, L2000, RS400, RS200 ... you could go on a long time

Contender, don't forget the Contender. At 83kg hull weight it would be interesting to see what difference it would make to shave/hack off a few kg. Of course we're a much more conservative fleet than the boat would suggest so it'll never happen.



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Posted By: foaminatthedeck
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 12:56pm
Im not touching the contender I like it to much. 

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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 1:03pm

What's your Contender made of? Wood? Nothing much to shave there...

Still, it would be great if the hull could drop a bit of weight. At 83 kgs (recommended, without the obligatory water in the hull), it weighs almost 25 kgs more than me. The other day, I was left struggling on the beach, trying desperately to get the boat across a patch of soft shingle, most to the delight of all the guys sitting on the start line.
I wonder what difference it would make in the handling; I know I'd like it!



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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 1:04pm
Originally posted by getafix



One boat I always thought was right for a bit of garage customisation
was the N12, now if you took a bigger stick, higher aspect upwind sails
(think i14/49er) and big assy plus added nice wide hiking racks (B14
style) then I think you might be on a winner, have to go for a shute
for the kite so perhaps a foredeck-less design might be best 'donor' to
start with (no way would you want to get as far forward as a bag for
launching!)

T-foil rudder might help in the nose dive/pitching dept and would
probably need to bond in some foam bouyancy as dodging the bags as
you run across rack-to-rack might be a bit of an obstacle course. May
as well go for a dagger bd as well for good measure.

Basically a big rig, 12ft, lightweight B14 with raking rig......




Errr.... sort of like this then?

http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/test/lib/exe/detail.php/ boats/
2685-200508xxa.gif?id=imagegallery&cache=cache

Big Issue N12 hull with quite alot of mod's - 2nd last years Nationals

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Posted By: foaminatthedeck
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 1:09pm
last time i looked cherubs a twin trapez not hikeing.

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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 2:45pm
Originally posted by foaminatthedeck

last time i looked cherubs a twin trapez not
hikeing.


I said sort of.

Funny though as I am about to get going on a Cherub with adjustable
racks for hiking as well as single trap and double. Which should be fun.

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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 4:10pm
Originally posted by Matt Jackson

Contender, don't forget the Contender. At 83kg hull weight it would be interesting to see what difference it would make to shave/hack off a few kg.


The Contender prototype was around 50kg...


Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 6:19pm

Bliss!



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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 7:31pm
do the width of moth wings vary? (the boat ones)
is there a limit on the width?


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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 21 Sep 06 at 9:17pm
Originally posted by Prince Buster

do the width of moth wings vary? (the boat ones)
is there a limit on the width?





http://www.moth-sailing.org/download/IMCA_Rules06.pdf

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Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 23 Sep 06 at 10:20pm

I don't think this is the first time I've said this but all that lead in a 4000 seems out of place in a high performance boat.

The 4000 is one boat that could move up a gear without out-dating the any of the boats.  How - by rewriting the equalisation tables.  I don't regard myself as a heavy person at just under 90kg and 5 foot 11, but I can only sail with the rack out 2 clicks and I have to carry a large lump of lead in the middle of the boat.

I'd like to race with the rack out a bit and discard the lead.  Give the light weight crews even more rack if they need it not more weight to drag up the ramp at the end of the day.



Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 24 Sep 06 at 2:14pm

As Elvstrom said:

The only place for weight is in a steamroller



Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 24 Sep 06 at 4:40pm
Originally posted by sargesail

As Elvstrom said:

Uffa Fox said it first...

It would be an interesting exercise for one of the weight equalised classes to throw the rule book our for one event and have everyon race with no lead and max wing, and see if
a) they like the boat better that way and

b)it makes any great change to the results fcompared to the formbook.


Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 25 Sep 06 at 11:57am
Believe both L5000 and Blaze threw out weight equalisation some time ago, L5000 woes have been well covered elsewhere and the Blaze pro's and cons were thoroughly addressed in the RS300 vs Blaze thread a while back

.... I suggested the hiking wings as an addition to the N12 custom because I think it gives a lower 'entry point' to the class and differentiates it from a 12ft skiff which are great, but mental, in their own right...

Just thought of another one ripe for some serious weight reduction - Javelin, a carbon rig and some serious weight hack off would make these even more lethal on handicap than they are now - shame there's so few of them around


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Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 25 Sep 06 at 7:57pm

Originally posted by getafix

Believe both L5000 and Blaze threw out weight equalisation some time ago, L5000 woes have been well covered elsewhere and the Blaze pro's and cons were thoroughly addressed in the RS300 vs Blaze thread a while back

As far as I know the Laser 5000 still has the same weight equilisation it always had, the only difference being you can now weigh in in normal clothes not sailing gear.



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Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 02 Oct 06 at 7:35pm

getafix

Boats that could be built super light using modern materials versus their original weight vs power ratio: Osprey, Hornet, Fireball, 505, Solo(!), Blaze X, ISO, Buzz, Boss, L5000, L4000, L2000, RS400, RS200 ... you could go on a long time

 

you would have a bit on making a 505 lighter is is made from carbon!! but know what you mean about the others.

 

 



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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 02 Oct 06 at 9:27pm
Originally posted by bovlike

Boats that could be built super light using modern materials versus their original weight vs power ratio


All of them!


Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 02 Oct 06 at 10:13pm

sorry I did not wright that getafix did I just used copy and paste from his post. I was saying that the 505 is made out of carbon so he would strugle to make that lighter than it is.

 



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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 02 Oct 06 at 10:16pm
Originally posted by bovlike

I was saying that the 505 is made out of carbon so he would strugle to make that lighter than it is.


Actually you can and people used to make a down to weight 505 out of wood or even uncored glass.


Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 02 Oct 06 at 10:16pm

arr I have found the Quote button

 

Originally posted by getafix

Boats that could be built super light using modern materials versus their original weight vs power ratio: Osprey, Hornet, Fireball, 505, Solo(!), Blaze X, ISO, Buzz, Boss, L5000, L4000, L2000, RS400, RS200 ... you could go on a long time

One boat I always thought was right for a bit of garage customisation was the N12, now if you took a bigger stick, higher aspect upwind sails (think i14/49er) and big assy plus added nice wide hiking racks (B14 style) then I think you might be on a winner, have to go for a shute for the kite so perhaps a foredeck-less design might be best 'donor' to start with (no way would you want to get as far forward as a bag for launching!)

T-foil rudder might help in the nose dive/pitching dept and would probably need to bond in some foam bouyancy as dodging the bags as you run across rack-to-rack might be a bit of an obstacle course.  May as well go for a dagger bd as well for good measure.

Basically a big rig, 12ft, lightweight B14 with raking rig......



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18ft Skiff Ronstan UK
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Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 02 Oct 06 at 10:18pm
you could take all the lead out of them that would help! not sure how much the new ovington one's have in them but I am sure it is a lot

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