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Topic: RS Vision rigging question
Posted By: gabbleblotchits
Subject: RS Vision rigging question
Date Posted: 01 May 22 at 8:31am
Iím rigging an RS Vision for the first time. The spinnaker tack line emerges from the inboard end of the bowsprit and goes nowhere, just loose around the crewís feet. Where is it supposed to go? Does it tie off somewhere?

Ta,
Dave



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Posted By: eric_c
Date Posted: 01 May 22 at 2:34pm
If it's like a 400, it goes forwards around a block or over the bar that holds the pole down, then back to a cleat.
So pulling the string pulls the tack to the end of the pole, then pulls the pole out.


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 01 May 22 at 4:19pm
No thatís not right, sold mine years ago, enjoy. RS call it a gennaker so worth searching that. There is a great rigging guide but I canít find it sorry. 

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Posted By: gabbleblotchits
Date Posted: 01 May 22 at 5:00pm
Originally posted by eric_c

If it's like a 400, it goes forwards around a block or over the bar that holds the pole down, then back to a cleat.
So pulling the string pulls the tack to the end of the pole, then pulls the pole out.


Nah, weíve got a 400 too and itís a different arrangement. The 400 tack line goes through a block and cleat. The Vision has nowhere obvious. I guess Iíll just tie it off somewhere and see how it goes

Thanks,
Dave


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 01 May 22 at 5:01pm
Try this:
https://www.rssailingstore.com/files//b8dcad5b-5c33-4b20-a06f-ac0e00a9de34/A4%20RS%20Vision%20Manual%20v4.pdf

[later]
I see, however, nothing that shows where the inboard end of the tack line goes. I suppose it comes rigged and they assume no-one will ever remove it. The text suggests it runs somewhere to the starboard side of the mast.



Posted By: gabbleblotchits
Date Posted: 01 May 22 at 5:01pm
Originally posted by tink

No thatís not right, sold mine years ago, enjoy. RS call it a gennaker so worth searching that. There is a great rigging guide but I canít find it sorry.†


Iíve got the rigging guide from the RS website but thereís no mention of it


Posted By: eric_c
Date Posted: 01 May 22 at 5:13pm
Looks like it's a single string system like the 800.
The tack line is pulled by a block on the kite halyard, so pulling the kite hayard shoots the pole out, pulls the tack to the end of the pole in one function involving pulling lots of halyard. So the kite halyard comes out the base of the mast going forwards, around a block on the tack line and back to the cleat. I think some people rig 400s like this too?  Page 23 onwards of the doc Jim linked to.


Posted By: gabbleblotchits
Date Posted: 01 May 22 at 7:00pm
Ok, thanks both - Iíll have another look


Posted By: ClubRacer
Date Posted: 01 May 22 at 9:21pm
The Vision tack line ties off somewhere around the base of the mast. Because we always had tons of issues with poles not running smoothly I tied them off at the toe strap fixing on the port side so you could pull the pole in manually if it decided to not play ball. 


Posted By: gabbleblotchits
Date Posted: 02 May 22 at 6:27am
Originally posted by ClubRacer

The Vision tack line ties off somewhere around the base of the mast. Because we always had tons of issues with poles not running smoothly I tied them off at the toe strap fixing on the port side so you could pull the pole in manually if it decided to not play ball.†


Perfect, thanks


Posted By: eric_c
Date Posted: 02 May 22 at 3:06pm
I think you'll struggle to get the kite up and down nicely with the pole outhaul/tackline tied off each time. Unless it's like Sea Scouts, where you're tryig to keep 8 people busy in the boat?

The RS800 style system is very easy to use.
same as used on Musto IIRC.


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 02 May 22 at 3:26pm
Tackline and outhaul are different bits of string on this setup.


Posted By: ClubRacer
Date Posted: 02 May 22 at 6:07pm
http://imgur.com/a/BBv6ivv" rel="nofollow - https://imgur.com/a/BBv6ivv

A diagram for the curious. 

This will be the setup for 90% of single line kite systems. It will just differ where the tack line ties off, everything else will be in almost the same position.

The only one I know of which is different is the 400(if converted to single string) which uses a back to back block with the tack line then tied up onto the bow. 


Posted By: eric_c
Date Posted: 02 May 22 at 7:02pm
Originally posted by ClubRacer

http://imgur.com/a/BBv6ivv" rel="nofollow - https://imgur.com/a/BBv6ivv

A diagram for the curious. 

This will be the setup for 90% of single line kite systems. It will just differ where the tack line ties off, everything else will be in almost the same position.

The only one I know of which is different is the 400(if converted to single string) which uses a back to back block with the tack line then tied up onto the bow. 
That makes more sense. But it's not what I've used on Musto,or RS800. Not sure about  9ers?
Not sure what the relative merit of combined and separate lines might be, the combined system keeps the tack close(r) to the pole end when the pole is not all the way out. Is that (always?) a good or bad thing I wonder?


Posted By: gabbleblotchits
Date Posted: 02 May 22 at 7:07pm
The Vision manual doesnít help much but it looks like it should be like this from the RS Quest setup (which matches the sketch):



There looks to be a dedicated eyelet to tie the tack line to. Iíll try using the toe strap eyelet


Posted By: ClubRacer
Date Posted: 02 May 22 at 7:59pm
Below is a diagram of what the twin line system looks like. You have to pull the pole out separately which is connected to a tack line most of the time. Both systems will hold the tack of the kite in the same place if you tie your knots correctly. 

The benefit to the twin is that you can pull the pole out a few seconds early before you're onto your downwind course to hoist the kite saving you a good few meters of rope to pull.

http://imgur.com/a/xFliNcD" rel="nofollow - https://imgur.com/a/xFliNcD

Maybe the 800 used something like this? 

http://i.imgur.com/LjkKpbf.png" rel="nofollow - https://i.imgur.com/LjkKpbf.png


Posted By: Hobkirkweb
Date Posted: 02 Jul 22 at 8:55am

I have recently re-rigged an RS Vision from scratch. Here is what I did for the Bowsprit


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 02 Jul 22 at 10:48am
I've used both single string and two string setups for the kite hoist on the same boat. I came to prefer the single string setup. TBH I'm struggling to remember why, but have a vague feeling it was because there was less hassle on the drops.

Saving a little bit of time on the hoist is all very well, but a bad hoist doesn't cost you nearly so much as a drop that goes wrong.



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