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Topic: Where do you buy second hand boats?
Posted By: marksey
Subject: Where do you buy second hand boats?
Date Posted: 25 Dec 21 at 3:36pm
Having a Christmas catch up with my sister and I may have convinced her to get back in to sailing after a 20 year dry spell. She has 3 children 2-5yrs old. And a total novice husband. She would need a boat she can teach them all in. She was very good back in the day, won a gold at the youth worlds in a 29er did a bit of 14 sailing and then hung her sailing boots up to dry, hasn't been sailing since, but it's like riding a bike, yeah?
2 questions,   where are boats listed on line now days in the UK?
What type of boats would be good? None of them are big people, My first thought was a laser2000. (I'm based in Aus so the available boats are very different, and things have changed this last 10-15 years, so pointers would be helpful). She is in the Winchester area.

Thanks



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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 25 Dec 21 at 5:31pm
Ebay, apolloduck, Facebook, preloved, most of the selling sites even local clubs to your sister will probably have boats for sale.
I personally would go for a Enterprise.

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Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 25 Dec 21 at 5:41pm
The Apollo duck web site is a good place to start looking for boats .
If she does fb, the page Dinghy and dinghy bits for sale is also a good  place to look. 
I will let other better qualified people comment on what boat to actually get Smile.



Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 25 Dec 21 at 6:15pm
The where is the first  important part of the equation,  Burghfield is less than a hour away from Winchester, 365 days of sailing a year, friendly, competitive at all levels,  an Andrew Simpson centre if the kids want levels and some L2000. 

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Posted By: epicfail
Date Posted: 25 Dec 21 at 8:37pm
Another option near Winchester would be Hawley Lake - just up the M3. Lots of training options and friendly racing.


Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 25 Dec 21 at 9:56pm
I'd suggest an enterprise might be a bit tame for someone who has done 29ers and I14s, but you do get a lot of enterprise for your money.

If she was good in 29ers she should be ok at finding a boat once she knows where to look!


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 25 Dec 21 at 10:52pm
I think Enterprise is a bit tame for her, but then you add three toddlers and a novice husband, a Wayfarer could be a good boat, Enterprise, Wayfarer boats they can't fall out of the back.

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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 26 Dec 21 at 11:53am
Another +1 for an ent, they are very 'pure' boats, simple enough up the front for novice crews, roomy enough for a couple of adults and the kids and very well mannered. It won't provide the physical challenge of a 29er/I14 but I'm pretty sure she'll get a buzz out of the 'cerebral' side of sailing the Ent after 20 years off. It's much lighter than a L2k too though that may also be a good choice depending on what is sailed at their home club.

I agree that Apollo Duck it probably the biggest dinghy marketplace but ebay and Facebook are worth a look too.


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Posted By: Old Timer
Date Posted: 27 Dec 21 at 10:57am
EnterpriseÖ. A dead class going nowhere. Dull as dishwater. 

Laser 2000 is a decent shout. 


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 27 Dec 21 at 12:10pm
That Apollo duck doesn't seem to be the place it was, there used to be 4 -500 boats in the dinghies section not so long ago, now you have to check two bloody facebook market sites, which are also bullsh*t, with no protection, I once drove up to Essex to buy off facebook and no-one showed, the boat was in the yard, buried behind loads of crap and nobody showed up. It is a sad state of play, I think probably the best places are the class own sites if they have one for sale given you know what you want. RS400 would probably be a good bet for that lady, just easy enough to teach with, but with a bit of added excitement. Depends where she's going to race though I guess.

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 27 Dec 21 at 12:16pm
Enterprise largest double handed class association in the world, several builders, like wise sail makers, hardly a dead class going nowhere.

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Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 27 Dec 21 at 12:49pm
Would think that she needs to work out what type of sailing she wants to do Ö join a club, or have a boat on a trailer to go and potter?  Is the idea to get her husband sailing or the children, though not mutually exclusive it would have a bearing.   

The children will be pretty small right now and the last thing you want to do is scare them.  Maybe a bit or of pottering off a beach on a sunny day might be a good introduction, in which case a good S/H Mirror with rowing option would provide a good Swallows and Amazons experience.  You could up the boat in the garden to add to the experience. 


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Posted By: Gfinch
Date Posted: 27 Dec 21 at 8:52pm
With that experience, a 2nd hand National 12 would be a good idea, especially as the children get a bit older. Something from the late 90s/ early 00s would be very cheap, carbon and fun. 

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Posted By: Mark Aged 42
Date Posted: 28 Dec 21 at 10:58am
Another vote for the 2000. Plenty of room, asymmetric spinnaker, sturdy but not obese hulls, sprightly performance. And active class as well.


Posted By: TT2
Date Posted: 28 Dec 21 at 4:44pm

But are any of those builders making new Ents? Not that the class reports state. One of the more dead national classes for sure. 


Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 28 Dec 21 at 5:16pm
Originally posted by 423zero

Enterprise largest double handed class in the world, several builders, like wise sail makers, hardly a dead class going nowhere.

Im sorry but have you been at the sherry? LOL

Its been 20-25 years since the Ent was any sort of force in the dinghy world and it is now lingering. It's a shame, but every niche the Ent appealed to once upon a time is now occupied by a class that does it better. 

That said, this is why you can buy a boat capable of winning open meetings for a few hundred pound and shoudn't under any circumstances spend more than £1000 on one.

Laser 2000 - why would anyone who didn't specifically want to race one want to buy one? The Wayfarer is bigger, a GP14 lighter, and both cheaper along with several other classes.



Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 28 Dec 21 at 5:51pm
46 Ents at the 2019 Nationals, the Laser/ILCA 7 had 37 in the same year...

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Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 28 Dec 21 at 6:14pm
Originally posted by Paramedic

Originally posted by 423zero

Enterprise largest double handed class in the world, several builders, like wise sail makers, hardly a dead class going nowhere.

Im sorry but have you been at the sherry? LOL

Its been 20-25 years since the Ent was any sort of force in the dinghy world and it is now lingering. It's a shame, but every niche the Ent appealed to once upon a time is now occupied by a class that does it better. 

That said, this is why you can buy a boat capable of winning open meetings for a few hundred pound and shoudn't under any circumstances spend more than £1000 on one.

Laser 2000 - why would anyone who didn't specifically want to race one want to buy one? The Wayfarer is bigger, a GP14 lighter, and both cheaper along with several other classes.


Re the enterprise comments, neither are correct in my view. And like with a lot of things in life , the truth is somewhere in the middle . Smile


Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 28 Dec 21 at 6:46pm
Originally posted by Grumpycat


Re the enterprise comments, neither are correct in my view. And like with a lot of things in life , the truth is somewhere in the middle . Smile

Well, round here it's dead. From what I gather apart from a handful of stalwart clubs its dead

The fleets at small clubs have collapsed, they are lucky to get off one hand, never mind see double figures at an open meeting and its close to bottom of the list when you discuss what to buy, largely because the boats are either wooden and require maintenance or plastic and falling to bits rather than any inherent fault in the class itself.

I still think the Ent has a place, but talking it up as the biggest doubleheader in the world is false - they haven't even had for a world champs for years. It's up there with the advice to a newcomer to buy the fastest boat they can cos they'll be able to keep up with good sailors in slower boats. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but this is being factually incorrect and using incorrect facts to give poor advice.

But, as I alluded, this means you can get a really good one for not a lot of money - but it'll be wooden. Could be why they are seeing a bit of a comeback at champs level, lots of ex rockstars coming back for another go. In the 80's and early 90's it was a huge class.

By the way this isn't intended to be a character assassination on the ent class, but it is about giving accurate advice - one or two of us haven't done that.


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 28 Dec 21 at 7:04pm
Hardly the thread to discuss Enterprise' past, present or future, I stand by my comment regarding suitability of Enterprise.

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Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 28 Dec 21 at 7:42pm
As I said the statementí largest doubledhanded class in the world Ď is false but then so are the claims that the class is dead and modern ( the last 20 years ) glass boats fall apart . 
Of course the class is nowhere near what was, ( as are a lot of classes ) but itís not dead either . It still has a niche that no other more modern boat fills . A two sail boat used on smaller inland water.
To get back to the op . Would I suggest a ent for the sea or open water , no but it the opís sister was thinking of sailing at a small inland water racing py, it has to be worth a shout. Much more fun than sailing a 2000 ( big heavy thing) or a RS200 where by the time you have the spinnaker up itís time to take it down again .

Nice to see Mr P has changed his post to sound a little more rounded Smile



Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 28 Dec 21 at 8:15pm
2019 PY sorted by number of returns. The Ent certainly isnít dead as a club racing boat. I think anyones view can be distorted by what people sail where you sail, I didnít see an OK or Solo for 40 years, two most active fleets at my club. 





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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 28 Dec 21 at 8:33pm
Why are we, well not we, y'all even talking about sailing junk when the person in particular is an ex Olympic medalist in a 29er?
Don't think I've even seen an Enterprise I guess it's a bit like a GP14, another dinosaur that refuses to become a full fossil, the joys of lipstick.
Fuxsake, what choice for the woman, dinosaurs or weight trainers.

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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 28 Dec 21 at 10:02pm
It depends on what the OP plans, which is to introduce her non-sailor husband and three small children to the joys of dinghy sailing, a 29er, great boat that it is for the right sailors, is not the boat for that.

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Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 28 Dec 21 at 11:50pm
A Enterprise is nothing like a Gp14 to sail. 


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 3:59am
What an ill tempered thread! Chill people.

I suspect buying a boat is cart before horse stuff. 3 kids under 5 and an hour's drive to a sailing club? Don't reckon that's viable. So FWIW I submit the first thing to do is work out where she's going to sail. Any club worth bothering with is going to have club boats, which may be unexciting rotomoulds, but quite good enough to work out if this is something the family wants to do. If after a warm summer in club boats everyone is still keen, only then, I suggest, will it be time to worry about selecting a class.


Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 7:55am
Spot on 


Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 8:46am
Originally posted by Grumpycat



Nice to see Mr P has changed his post to sound a little more rounded Smile


I get wound up by bad advice or untrue advice, particularly when its on something important that could lose someone to the sport if it goes wrong. This thread is the second time in the last few weeks this has happened and this will be my last post on the matter as I think the OP has his answer.

But whilst I do think the right Ent is actually quite suited to the role (Subject to an active racing scene not being relevant), I stand by my advice.
 
For me the Ent is a better bet in this role than the laser 2k - but not for many of the reasons stated!


Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 2:07pm
Nice to see the Enterprise doing well at the Burghfield Breezer Smile


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 2:33pm
Originally posted by Grumpycat

A Enterprise is nothing like a Gp14 to sail.†


Well it was a guess and tbh I'm not bothered either way, the GP14 has only recently come to my attention because a local sailsmithy has caught some dreadful regressionary sickness and started bothering them. I pointed to the logo and said how apt having a bell on the end of the sail was, he can complement it with a bellend on the helm.

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 2:47pm
Originally posted by Grumpycat

Nice to see the Enterprise doing well at the Burghfield Breezer†Smile
Not surprising sailing off 1153, what's that event called? Battle of the Bandits?

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Posted By: Dougaldog
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 3:08pm
"Enterprise largest double handed class in the world" -oh REALLY - since when??? It's nowhere near it, even iGRF can do better than that!

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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 3:32pm
Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Grumpycat

Nice to see the Enterprise doing well at the Burghfield Breezer Smile
Not surprising sailing off 1153, what's that event called? Battle of the Bandits7?

7 different classes in the top ten with good local sailors in Ents out of the top ten, you need another hymn book iGRF 


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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 3:46pm
Would be interesting to see links to prove Enterprise not largest class association ???
Edited to add, largest double handed class association, need to be precise.

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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 4:10pm
Originally posted by 423zero

Would be interesting to see links to prove Enterprise not largest class???
Edited to add, largest double handed class, need to be precise.
Sail boat data has Mirror at 7.000 should be 70,000ÖÖ

420 56,000 Ö..

Snipe is at 31,000ÖÖ

While Ent very respectable 27,000

All needs to be considered with a large pinch of salt and some classes issue blocks of numbers that donít get built 

Formatting all to cock sorry 


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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 4:24pm
Nice one Tink, very difficult to believe 'Snipe' figures, without meaning to be controversial 'Mirror' figures??? I am a big fan of the Mirror, no way RYA would take the attitude it has if membership was that high.
The figures must be amount built.

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 4:30pm
You can't write it, never mind make it up, in one thread the Enterpise has risen from the dead to be a world leading class and local event champion boat and a Bandit to boot.. Where do I sign? Be just the thing for the Grandchildren of which I now have two and can't wait for the day.

You've got to love this place.

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Posted By: Dougaldog
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 4:32pm
Okay - just this once and because it is Xmas...the Mirror stats are good and can be relied on, as are the Snipe numbers. Just because there are not big here in the UK doesn't mean that they are not huge globally - so making comments about 'biggest in the world' is wrong by so many degrees. There are other classes with numbers in excess of the Ent.

Back to the Snipe...it is only two Olympic rotations ago that the Snipe very nearly replaced the 49er - I jest not, but in terms of global footprint, they have the numbers. Ask why the 470s are still at the Games and you have the same answer. We're actually quite small beer in the numbers game....

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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 4:35pm
All amount built 

Vaurien 36,000 



 



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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 4:37pm
Links???
Sorry Tink crossed posts.

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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 4:43pm
Tried posting yesterday but then had to get on a plane. Bases on 2019 returns 
4th RS200 6036óó 5th RS400  5967óó- 10th  MerlŪn Rocket 3151 óó 11th Ent 2835 óó- 

Gives an indication of club level activity. 
obviously only UK


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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 4:47pm
Snipe only has just over three thousand members worldwide, figures on their own class website, very small figure for UK.

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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 4:48pm
Originally posted by 423zero

Links???
Sorry Tink crossed posts.

Didnít make it too clear but  https://sailboatdata.com/" rel="nofollow - https://sailboatdata.com/  for anyone else that wants to look up themselves 


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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 4:49pm
Meant Dougaldog Tink.
56 snipe members UK.

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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 6:55pm
Sail numbers may reflect boats built (in the case of the Ent and Laser) or boats registered in a particular country (the Europe for example). Numbers at Nationals and PY returns are probably a reasonable measure of how active the class is in the UK but skewed if a class has any clubs still fleet racing them (like the Solos at my home club).



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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 7:11pm
Problem with the timbre of posts on this thread, is that OP is trying to persuade his sister to return to sailing, (we don't know why she stopped), but she is hardly likely to be persuaded to come back, when she reads this thread. Thread drift and trolling are all well and good for a laugh on more general threads, but a request for information should be treated has such.

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Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 29 Dec 21 at 9:49pm
If her sailing experience is accurate why would she even look on here . As she already knows more about sailing than most of us . All she would have to do is message Dougaldog and Jim C to get the relevant info and cut out all this white noise LOLWink


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 30 Dec 21 at 11:42am
Originally posted by Grumpycat

If her sailing experience is accurate why would she even look on here . As she already knows more about sailing than most of us . All she would have to do is message Dougaldog and Jim C to get the relevant historical Bullsh*t and cut out all this white noise†LOLWink


FTFY

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Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 30 Dec 21 at 12:03pm
Grf . You just never learn do you ? Ouch

Oh well Happy new year , you tiny whiny atom of  human vileness. 


Posted By: eric_c
Date Posted: 05 Jan 22 at 7:05am
Based in Winchester, there would be a huge choice of clubs within a sensible drive.
First choice to make is perhaps pond or sea?
Then what do you want from a club?
With small kids it's likely to be about learning.

Choice of boat should be well down the list.
No one boat will do everything for a family.
What club boats can be used?
Sailing school boats hired?

Choice of boat is most likely going to need to change as kids grow, but I'd be thinking more about things like Pico or RS plastic equivalent thing. The smallest thing the adult in question plus one child can operate in will be easiest for the small child to learn?

Likewise choice of club may change over time.
Lymington springs to mind.
I know someone who sails there, lives not ever so far from Winchester.
Maybe it's easier for the kids to start younger inland though?
OTOH, a 40ft Benetteau would take the whole family....


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 05 Jan 22 at 7:25am
As above the where is probably more important than the what. As someone who moved to north Hampshire 3 years ago from a fantastic family friendly northern club the south coast overs very slim pickings for family dinghy sailing. The coastal clubs are all geared for the kids going out at specific times (all soccer mums and dads) and the adults doing their stuff at different times. Itís a very odd model and I think aimed at yachting rather than sailing. The inland clubs are better suited and I said before with an Andrew Simpson centre on site and top racing Burghfield, though a hike, is hard to beat. The RYA interactive map is a good starting point and really scrutinise the sailing calendar and the actual race results to see who is sailing what and when. 

A big however is that for southern kids is that with so many events and squads available many donít sail very regularly at their home club once they reach a certain level. 


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Posted By: eric_c
Date Posted: 05 Jan 22 at 8:21am
Originally posted by tink

As above the where is probably more important than the what. As someone who moved to north Hampshire 3 years ago from a fantastic family friendly northern club the south coast overs very slim pickings for family dinghy sailing. The coastal clubs are all geared for the kids going out at specific times (all per soccer mums and dads) and the adults doing their stuff at different times. Itís a very odd model and I think aimed at yachting rather than sailing. The inland clubs are better suited and I said before with an Andrew Simpson centre on site and top racing Burghfield, though a hike, is hard to beat. The RYA interactive map is a good starting point and really scrutinise the sailing calendar and the actual race results to see who is sailing what and when. 

A big however is that for southern kids is that with so many events and squads available many donít sail very regularly at their home club once they reach a certain level. 


I think that's the reality of sailing on the actual ocean. It's a serious business taking responsibility for other people's sprogs in a more hostile environment. You've got more weather, tides, waves, other water users etc etc. But lots of families do teach their kids to sail in the Solent region, there is a lot going on, but it's spread over a large number of clubs. A lot of us just join one (or more!) of the nearest clubs as driving around the area is not much fun.So a lot of the clubs are very focussed on their long tem local members and it's all a bit opaque to anyone from the wrong side of the A272. The Northern Reservoir is equally an alien environment for those of us who've grown used to living within a pushbike ride of the sea.

Enough of that drivel, I looked at this thread because I'm wondering if there are any sensibly priced Lasers for sale that I'm not seeing? I've had the same one for 4 seasons and it's starting to feel like an excuse for not winning! What with covid and the class builder politics, not many nice ones for sale?


Posted By: Gordon 1430
Date Posted: 05 Jan 22 at 9:34am
I would suggest Lee on Solent isnt far from Winchester and we have club boats from Toppers to Quests for members use and run training for both Adults and kids.
Our training is run mostly Saturday morning with club racing in the afternoon. This allows the instructors to race if they are not knackered.
Our only issue at present is lack of Dinghy park space, but we are working on that. We also have a brand new clubhouse.


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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 05 Jan 22 at 9:38am
Probably production issues similar to cars, people are hanging on to them.

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Posted By: eric_c
Date Posted: 05 Jan 22 at 10:06am
Originally posted by 423zero

Probably production issues similar to cars, people are hanging on to them.


I'll need another car this year as well.

At least with the Laser, I've got the option of buying the same thing as before, just not knackered.


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 05 Jan 22 at 10:46am
It's a bit like buying a new Morris Marina innit 

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Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 05 Jan 22 at 12:52pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

It's a bit like buying a new Morris Marina innit 

Thatís a bit cruel lol,  itís more like buying a 60s America muscle car . Loads of performance in a straight line but a bas@@rd to get round the corners LOL

Re shortage of boats . I think itís mostly in the second hand singlehanded market. Covid has caused a lot of people sailing two man boats to buy singlehanders as second boats and itís sucked the market dry. A friend of mine has just sold his solution and wants a winder solo . Everyone he has been interested in , has sold before he could get to see it . 


Posted By: The Moo
Date Posted: 05 Jan 22 at 1:12pm
Originally posted by Grumpycat




Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

It's a bit like buying a new Morris Marina innit†

A friend of mine has just sold his solution and wants a winder solo . Everyone he has been interested in , has sold before he could get to see it .†




Standby incoming from Kent


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 05 Jan 22 at 1:22pm
Originally posted by Grumpycat

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

It's a bit like buying a new Morris Marina innit 

Thatís a bit cruel lol,  itís more like buying a 60s America muscle car . Loads of performance in a straight line but a bas@@rd to get round the corners LOL

Have you ever tried to get a Marina round a corner Ouch

Re shortage of boats . I think itís mostly in the second hand singlehanded market. Covid has caused a lot of people sailing two man boats to buy singlehanders as second boats and itís sucked the market dry. A friend of mine has just sold his solution and wants a winder solo . Everyone he has been interested in , has sold before he could get to see it . 

That's more like buying a new Riley 1.5 Smile


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Posted By: eric_c
Date Posted: 05 Jan 22 at 2:40pm
I was going to compare the Laser with a Royal Enfield, but even they've got fuel injection now.
I did once own a Marina estate, in strong winds it was dodgy in a straight line, never mind the corners.


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 05 Jan 22 at 2:46pm
Originally posted by eric_c

I was going to compare the Laser with a Royal Enfield, but even they've got fuel injection now.

That'll be the carbon top mast Smile



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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 05 Jan 22 at 3:47pm
Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 beautiful retro bike, with a lovely retro sound.

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 05 Jan 22 at 4:13pm
Originally posted by The Moo

Originally posted by Grumpycat




Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

It's a bit like buying a new Morris Marina innit†

A friend of mine has just sold his solution and wants a winder solo . Everyone he has been interested in , has sold before he could get to see it .†




Standby incoming from Kent


Well having had both and told to sell one there was no hesitation the Solo nice as it was and given the handicap advantage racing against Lasers, it had to go in favour of the nicer sail that I get from the Solution which is closer to sailing scratch which we tend to do now.

Having said that the Solution is now up for sale, SWMBO has put the foot down at the home fleet being 6 boats, 3 at each club and something has to go so other than the Contender everything is now for sale.


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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 05 Jan 22 at 4:15pm
Originally posted by eric_c

I was going to compare the Laser with a Royal Enfield, but even they've got fuel injection now.
I did once own a Marina estate, in strong winds it was dodgy in a straight line, never mind the corners.
Royal Enfield? Ugh! BSA Bantam maybe, or Tiger Cub, but Enfield? who even rides them in polite society?

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 05 Jan 22 at 4:30pm
Caravaners

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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 05 Jan 22 at 5:07pm
Originally posted by eric_c

Originally posted by tink

As above the where is probably more important than the what. As someone who moved to north Hampshire 3 years ago from a fantastic family friendly northern club the south coast overs very slim pickings for family dinghy sailing. The coastal clubs are all geared for the kids going out at specific times (all per soccer mums and dads) and the adults doing their stuff at different times. Itís a very odd model and I think aimed at yachting rather than sailing. The inland clubs are better suited and I said before with an Andrew Simpson centre on site and top racing Burghfield, though a hike, is hard to beat. The RYA interactive map is a good starting point and really scrutinise the sailing calendar and the actual race results to see who is sailing what and when. 

A big however is that for southern kids is that with so many events and squads available many donít sail very regularly at their home club once they reach a certain level. 


I think that's the reality of sailing on the actual ocean. It's a serious business taking responsibility for other people's sprogs in a more hostile environment. You've got more weather, tides, waves, other water users etc etc. But lots of families do teach their kids to sail in the Solent region, there is a lot going on, but it's spread over a large number of clubs. A lot of us just join one (or more!) of the nearest clubs as driving around the area is not much fun.So a lot of the clubs are very focussed on their long tem local members and it's all a bit opaque to anyone from the wrong side of the A272. The Northern Reservoir is equally an alien environment for those of us who've grown used to living within a pushbike ride of the sea.

Enough of that drivel, I looked at this thread because I'm wondering if there are any sensibly priced Lasers for sale that I'm not seeing? I've had the same one for 4 seasons and it's starting to feel like an excuse for not winning! What with covid and the class builder politics, not many nice ones for sale?

Yes we are all different, at least weíre not playing xxxx. I got my Laser by putting a wanted add on the ILCA FB page, got a nice boat that was not advertised and sitting unused. I do think there is a major shortage of boats at the moment and lots of people are now doing the wanted route, best to be very specific, what you want, age, sail number, region, budget etc. Good luck 


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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 05 Jan 22 at 5:21pm
Sellers market just seen an add for a 35 year old Europe £3k 

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Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 05 Jan 22 at 11:15pm
Originally posted by tink

Sellers market just seen an add for a 35 year old Europe £3k†


Given the spec itís actually not a silly price.


Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 06 Jan 22 at 2:06pm
if its for the whole family to go together a laser stratos or similar, if its just a couple at a time then the 2000 is a good shout.

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Posted By: eric_c
Date Posted: 06 Jan 22 at 4:08pm
Originally posted by Oli

if its for the whole family to go together a laser stratos or similar, if its just a couple at a time then the 2000 is a good shout.


It's a heavy old bus with big sails to pull in, for kids under 10?

OTOH there were a few couples having good Wednesday evening racing in them lasr time I saw any on the water.

    If you find a buch of like-minded people, it doesn't matter much what the boat is.



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