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Topic: Recommend me a single handed dinghy please
Posted By: Alfachats
Subject: Recommend me a single handed dinghy please
Date Posted: 30 Sep 21 at 3:30pm
Hello all, I'm after some advice.
I'm a returning sailor, sailed a bit in my youth (Sea cadets, Royal Navy) but haven't sailed since 2004, however I now live in Falmouth and thought it was time I got back on the water instead of just looking at the water, joined a local sailing club and recently re-did my RYA level 2, throughly enjoyed sailing the Pico but realise at 51 years old and 90kgs its not the boat for me.
However because I work shifts and have weird times off I really would like to get a single hander dinghy I can have some fun with.
Ideally I'd like something I can pull up a slip by myself and something with a good turn of speed and is fun like a Pico is, I suppose the obvious choice would be a Laser but everyone has one (be nice not to follow the crowd) and TBH I've heard they can be hard work at times so I'm thinking something different.
So dinghies on my possible list are as follows: Streaker, Solo, Lightning or maybe if funds allow a Phantom.
For info, Im 51 years old and 90 kgs, basically I will be sailing on the Helford river mostly on my own, but I maybe interested in doing a bit of racing at some point, the club has handicap racing with a mix of Wayfarers, Lasers, Fusions and the odd Europe and an Ospray.

So what would you guys recommend?

Roger.




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Posted By: Gordon 1430
Date Posted: 30 Sep 21 at 3:37pm
HI Roger As a Phantom sailor i am of course biased so for fun sailing cant really fault it and sensible weight for pulling up a slip. 
Others to look at Supernova bit smaller and a few  more boats available so worth looking at.
Solo also good for your weight but a bit heavier I think.
Ok getting popular again and another good weight carrier.
Newer boats like the Aero and Dzero worth a look but might be out your budget as could be the H2.
Laser you cant really go wrong but as you said a bit boring.

find local clubs who have various boats and try to get some trial sails in and then make your choice.
Good luck
Gordon Phantom 1465



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Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 30 Sep 21 at 4:30pm
Gordon 1430 has sumed it up quite well .


Posted By: sawman
Date Posted: 30 Sep 21 at 7:40pm
Sounds like you need an OK, or possibly phantom. 

The Ok is a nice boat to sail, and doesnt ask you to kneal on your dodgy 51 year old knees. you can have a decent race with lasers in the handicap fleet as they are similarly handicapped - hammer them upwind and. hope they don't get away off wind - interesting tactically. I have been having some great races this summer in my old OK


Posted By: A2Z
Date Posted: 30 Sep 21 at 8:15pm
I would really, really recommend a Laser as your first boat back.  They are ubiquitous for a reason.

If after a while you decide you something else then you can easily sell the Laser for next to no loss and will be in a better position to know what you want out of a boat.  OK, Phantom, Finn etc are highly refined, but niche boats that you wouldn’t want to buy unless you knew you did, if that makes sense. Failing a Laser, the next most obvious choice is a Solo.


Posted By: Alfachats
Date Posted: 01 Oct 21 at 10:00am
After have a good round the inter web I'm seriously considering a Solo, however they seem a tad heavy at 70kgs, is it possible to pull one up a slip on your own??


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 01 Oct 21 at 10:22am
Originally posted by Alfachats

After have a good round the inter web I'm seriously considering a Solo, however they seem a tad heavy at 70kgs, is it possible to pull one up a slip on your own??


Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo anything but, find yourself a Phantom, Supersofa, Solution (I've got a nice one you can buy)OK, Aero or D Zero, don't visit the elephants graveyard just yet.

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Posted By: H2
Date Posted: 01 Oct 21 at 10:25am
A solo is relatively easy to handle on the slipway and lots of people that are much older than you manage them week in week out! I would agree with the advice you have received so far - something mainstream like a Solo or Laser is a great place to start. Once you get a bit more experience and decide what kind of sailing you like doing you might find you want a boat which is a bit bigger as the Solo and Laser were originally designed for people who are smaller but they will be fine for messing around in. The boats that should be on your list in the future might include Phantom, OK, Blaze, H2 and Finn. They all have pros and cons but they are going to be much more expensive that a basic Laser or Solo. Hope that helps! Helford is a great place to sail too!

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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 01 Oct 21 at 1:27pm
70kg is not bad, I have no difficulty pulling my Blaze (72kg + rig and trolly) up the slip. WRT 90kg sailor weight, Blaze carries weight well and is a hoot in a breeze. It likes open water so would suit the Helford river well and is incredibly forgiving if you get caught out by the weather, a windsurfer mate has just bought one, he has never sailed a dinghy before but is doing fine in the Blaze (pick you weather obviously). Phantom is another obvious choice but I haven't yet sailed one. The OK is a superb boat, raced them in my youth and absolutely love them, Solo also ticks a lot of boxes but I'm not a fan of FB sails on unarig boats (I had a Supernova for a season and hated it, all the bad bits of a L@ser and the horrible rig...).

If the priority is fun blasting on open water and the budget is <£2k I'd definitely suggest you have a go in a Blaze*, my holiday club has five very happy Blaze sailors, three of them new to the boat since lockdown. We only race informally so much of the sailing is just hooning around in company And the Blaze suits that perfectly (TBF I am somewhat biased Wink).



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Posted By: Alfachats
Date Posted: 02 Oct 21 at 10:22am
I'd mainly be sailing on my own, what are the Phantom and Blaze like in a capsize situation?

Then again, I am not actually considering a Laser, they just seem like good value and like some has said before are easily sold on when I want something different.



Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 02 Oct 21 at 12:16pm
Don't know about the Phantom but the Blaze is not difficult to recover. I'm 68 and have never struggled to self right mine. The ally mast is sealed so it doesn't turn turtle giving you time to climb up the inside if you're reasonably quick. It does float with the CB a foot or so out of the water so getting on from there takes a bit of effort but no more than a L@ser IME. Definitely for righting lines, they make the job much easier BTW.



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Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 02 Oct 21 at 8:59pm
I've got a pal who rides a Phantom, he's an ex windsurfer like me, but not quite so devoted to hiking so tends to 'perch' but he just doesn't seem to go over that much. He's now in his late seventys, what we sail on aint easy, lots of lumps and shore dumps. I'd tell anyonewith a bit of height and weight to get one, they're light and easy to move around, they have a swinging back centreboard and rudder, not to difficult control layout, rock steady, fast, so you get to be among the better sailors in most handicap fleets, so you can emulate their style and decisions.
You aint going to beat them once the spreadhseet has been calculated, but over the water, it'lll be a better experience. Better than bringing up the rear of the laserati wallers who are mostly quite adept, because the boat is so crap they have nothing better to do than work hard. Better to be ghosting past them with a smile and a coffee in the cupholder and a rolled up copy of Sailing Today to read down the run as you glide by them, they love it.


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Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 03 Oct 21 at 7:45am
On the river a Phantom would be great. 

Solo also very good - lots of 90kg sailors racing them.


Blaze wont suit a tidal river location as well


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 04 Oct 21 at 3:58pm
Depends how much area you've got, Blaze does like room to stretch it's legs so estuaries are good and it's fast enough to stem the tide better than slower boats. Performance is not much different to a Phantom on open water but, as you say, not so well suited to confined waters. If blasting around in a breeze is on the agenda though I'd take the Blaze every time...



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Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: eric_c
Date Posted: 05 Oct 21 at 2:14pm
Originally posted by Alfachats

Hello all, I'm after some advice.
I'm a returning sailor, sailed a bit in my youth (Sea cadets, Royal Navy) but haven't sailed since 2004, however I now live in Falmouth and thought it was time I got back on the water instead of just looking at the water, joined a local sailing club and recently re-did my RYA level 2, throughly enjoyed sailing the Pico but realise at 51 years old and 90kgs its not the boat for me.
However because I work shifts and have weird times off I really would like to get a single hander dinghy I can have some fun with.
Ideally I'd like something I can pull up a slip by myself and something with a good turn of speed and is fun like a Pico is, I suppose the obvious choice would be a Laser but everyone has one (be nice not to follow the crowd) and TBH I've heard they can be hard work at times so I'm thinking something different.
So dinghies on my possible list are as follows: Streaker, Solo, Lightning or maybe if funds allow a Phantom.
For info, Im 51 years old and 90 kgs, basically I will be sailing on the Helford river mostly on my own, but I maybe interested in doing a bit of racing at some point, the club has handicap racing with a mix of Wayfarers, Lasers, Fusions and the odd Europe and an Ospray.

So what would you guys recommend?

Roger.


I f you do a good bit of sailing, you might lose a few kg and the laser will look even more obvious a choice.
What you can haul up a slip varies hugely depending on the angle, surface and grip oon the slip way. I don't like the Laser as a boat, but the racing is good. If you race a Phantom against Lasers, you will be a leg ahead and out of touch in light weatheer, which may feel pointless. A lot depends on budget, you can get a useable laser for 3 figure sums. But if you are drawn to some other boat, you have to go with what you like. There are dozens of options, many of the smaller 2 handed boats are good SH if you're 90kg. Things like the vortex and Vareo add the fun of a kite.
Many options!


If you are not racing, then a cheap old boat you don't mind dragging up the beach can be a lot less stress than something shiny and fragile.Racing off a beach, we get each others' trolley. But sailing on you own may not be like  that, boat may need to be dumped on the beach? Although ISTR HRSC has a pontoon to tie up to?



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