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Topic: Vendee
Posted By: rich96
Subject: Vendee
Date Posted: 18 Nov 20 at 4:10pm
Looks like Alex T has got the hammer down - will this be the race that it all goes right for him ?

Sam Davies doing brilliantly too (without trying to sound like a sexist) - fantastic so far




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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 19 Nov 20 at 7:50am
The black boat certainly seems to have the pace in breeze, and / or when the angle is at about 100 deg apparent or more. Not so dominant in the light, and right now the angle doesn’t seem to suit. Hull / foil design? Sail wardrobe? I have no clue.

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Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 19 Nov 20 at 1:52pm
Umm

Lots and lots of miles lost today ?


Posted By: sarg boland
Date Posted: 19 Nov 20 at 5:17pm
Two and three have been going faster much of the day but not now.  However as Alex heads a little more west than the chasers then distance to finish is misleading.  He is hoping to get a lift and then stronger winds round the high pressure.  Fingers crossed.

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Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 20 Nov 20 at 6:14pm
Pip Hare to win! Be great if Alex wins ( in the fastest boat ever ) but I'm rooting for Pip to finish. In today's vid she's screaming along at 20+knts looking like she's sailing a mirror round a sunny lake... Meanwhile Alex looks like he's piloting desiato hotblack's spaceship.

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Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 22 Nov 20 at 5:52am
Has Alex got a problem - he's lost a huge amount to the guys who've passed him ?


Posted By: NickM99
Date Posted: 22 Nov 20 at 9:42am
Statement from the team: "TEAM STATEMENT
At approximately 19:00 UTC on Saturday 21st November, Alex notified the team on shore of a possible structural issue onboard the HUGO BOSS boat.
At the time, Alex was located approximately 800 miles east of Rio de Janeiro in the South Atlantic ocean, and was 13 days into the Vendée Globe round-the-world yacht race.
Alex and the team, together with our appointed naval architects and structural engineers, are now working together to assess the extent of the structural issue and to determine a repair programme and timeline.
Alex is safe and well onboard, and in regular dialogue with the team. The Vendée Globe race organisation has been notified and is being kept well informed.
We kindly ask that members of the public refrain from attempting to contact the team at this time. A further update will be released on Sunday 22nd November."


Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 22 Nov 20 at 2:39pm
Oh dear

He really has some bad luck


Posted By: NickM99
Date Posted: 22 Nov 20 at 4:18pm
Looks like he might get back in it.  https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/233353/Alex-Thomson-carrying-out-structural-repair" rel="nofollow - Alex Thomson carrying out structural repair on HUGO BOSS (yachtsandyachting.com)



Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 22 Nov 20 at 6:17pm
Poor Alex. A problem familiar to all us dinghy sailors; make your boat as light and fast as possible.... and risk it falling to bits around you! Hopefully he can fix it, or it might be like the last one where he was super fast on one tack and struggled on the other.

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Posted By: NickM99
Date Posted: 23 Nov 20 at 2:34pm
The problem clearly illustrated in a video from Alex Thompson on his team Facebook page....   https://www.facebook.com/AlexThomsonRacing/videos/" rel="nofollow - Alex Thomson Racing | Facebook


Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 28 Nov 20 at 7:33am
Afraid it just not meant to be

https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/233492/Vendee-Globe-Rudder-damage-on-HUGO-BOSS



Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 30 Nov 20 at 6:13pm
Another front runners out and one of the big Tris also out - hitting objects

The boats are so quick now that a collision with debris seems to be the end of their chances

This issue can only be getting worse as the boats get quicker and the debris (presumably) increases

At some point the sailors, and their sponsors, mast have to wonder about these amazing events ?







Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 01 Dec 20 at 7:58am
Hugo boss falling apart. Linked out lost a foil. Now PRB snaps in half and sinks. How long will Apivia stay in one piece?

Meanwhile, incredible seamanship by Jean Le Cam. But what happens now? Le Cam lost hours doing rescue duties and has gained a crew ( but not enough food on board to feed him! ). Does he have to pull out or what?

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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 01 Dec 20 at 8:51am
This race has always had a high attrition rate. Is this event any worse? I don't know and it may be too early to tell yet. I guess these boats are bit like F1 or WRC - built to do one job and last no longer than that. 
Surely Le Cam will get time compensation for the diversion (great rescue job BTW) and will - I guess - be met by a SA Naval vessel where KE can be transferred.


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Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 01 Dec 20 at 11:04am
I guess that they are lighter to get faster and as they get quicker the risk goes up hugely

To hear that one sank in minutes in the southern ocean is worrying



Posted By: NickM99
Date Posted: 01 Dec 20 at 12:11pm
Kevin Escoffier said that he had especially reinforced PRB with loads of carbon and does not regret anything in the preparation and he was amazed that it had just split in two.  His comment to race control was they need to look at how a boat like that could split in two.


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 01 Dec 20 at 2:19pm
Clearly many of this batch of boats are not up to the job. The oceans are a big place they can't all have hit a shipping container or other large debris (twice in Hugo Boss' case). And they haven't even got to the serious bit yet...

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Posted By: Mozzy
Date Posted: 01 Dec 20 at 2:48pm
Originally posted by NickA

Hugo boss falling apart. Linked out lost a foil. Now PRB snaps in half and sinks. How long will Apivia stay in one piece?

Meanwhile, incredible seamanship by Jean Le Cam. But what happens now? Le Cam lost hours doing rescue duties and has gained a crew ( but not enough food on board to feed him! ). Does he have to pull out or what?


He should get redress.

Think that happened many ago when someone got bumped up to second or third after redress. 


Posted By: Chris_H
Date Posted: 01 Dec 20 at 2:51pm
The Vendee has a history of breakages. Statistically, the average number of finishers over its history is about 50% - so it isnt just down to the current generation. PRB is actually an older gen boat - tho fitted with foils.

Its a bit premature to say the least to put it down to 'this batch' until various post-mortems have been done (and HB is in back in the shed)

F1 cars are built for one purpose only and as light as they can be, and they dont always last the race either ... and they only have to go round and round a few miles of circuit. If you wanna be in the game, calculated risk taking is part of it.

And lets not forget, Jean Le Cam himself - todays rescue hero - was himself rescued from Cape Horn in the 2008/9 race in what we would now call an old generation 'safer' boat


Posted By: Mozzy
Date Posted: 01 Dec 20 at 2:54pm
The redress last time was when Jean Le Cam lost his keel and was recused by Vincent Riou. Riou damaged his boat in the rescue and was reinstated to 3rd. 


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 01 Dec 20 at 4:24pm
I'd imagine there will be time allowance for all the boats who were called to the scene. But even if there wasnt, of course they would go. It's not only part of the ethos of the race, but part and parcel of maritime heritage and, I think, law.

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Posted By: NickM99
Date Posted: 01 Dec 20 at 4:59pm
I expect all the boats that were diverted on the search will get redress but it is going to be hard to work out who is where until they finish.  

I have not followed this race before but the website  https://www.vendeeglobe.org/en" rel="nofollow - Official website of the Vendée Globe - Vendée Globe - En (vendeeglobe.org)  is very good with a mass of info and interesting daily bulletins. 


Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 01 Dec 20 at 5:23pm
Found it on the Vendée site. Rescuers get a time bonus .. so if it's close, the first over the line may not be the winner. Jean Le C will presumably get more time to cover handing Escoffier over ... and some extra food to cover board and lodging!

I guess it used to be canting keels breaking off and us oldies going "oohh step too far, that tech" now everyone has them and they're fine.

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Posted By: Chris_H
Date Posted: 02 Dec 20 at 10:36am
Arkea Paprec has hit a UFO and the foil is damaged. There is water ingress due to the foil casing being detached from the hull - water ingress though not clear how much. Situation developing at the moment



Posted By: Old bloke
Date Posted: 02 Dec 20 at 3:56pm
"The front fell off"


Posted By: NickM99
Date Posted: 02 Dec 20 at 10:05pm
Sam Davis has hit something now....


Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 03 Dec 20 at 5:51am
Are sponsors going to be put off investing the huge amounts required for these campaigns on the off chance that you manage to get around intact ?

OR

Will they get significant coverage if and when there are issues?



Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 03 Dec 20 at 2:28pm
Things not being helped by the amount of stuff falling (or being chopped) off the boats!!  The sea is filling up with IMOCA 6 components.  They're going to need LIDAR and collision avoidance software before long.

Pip Hare now looking like GBR's best hope.  Go Pip Go :-).   

It's a huge shame for Sam, best placed Brit and, mostly, best placed woman too.  Hopefully she can fix it.


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Posted By: NickM99
Date Posted: 03 Dec 20 at 4:12pm
https://gcaptain.com/estimated-1900-containers-lost-or-damaged-on-one-apus/?fbclid=IwAR0NzUJOQp5l8y5omFeJW_muL_UKO_hvq_htdeUyzVzQeiGnAJohB3Bh7Sc" rel="nofollow - Massive Cargo Loss: Estimated 1,900 Containers Lost or Damaged on ONE Apus – gCaptain


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 03 Dec 20 at 5:57pm
if you can’t keep a 24/7 watch you should not be out there at the speeds these guys are going. This race and similar need to be banned. 

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Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 03 Dec 20 at 6:21pm
Even if they were able to keep 24hr watch they couldn't reduce the risk that much. A lot of the time it's dark, and/or the sea is rough, an old freezer or a container lying just awash is pretty much invisible till you hit it.

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Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 03 Dec 20 at 7:39pm
Regardless of thinking such events should be banned as Tink says.

Or that keeping a watch would make little difference at top speed in the dark as PeterG.

It is hard to argue that such events and style of sailing is the practice of good seamanship.


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 03 Dec 20 at 7:50pm
Pure bad luck to find something to hit in millions of square miles.

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 04 Dec 20 at 8:39am
God, you lot sound so old and doddery. Should be banned... I guess all extreme sports should be banned, then? Downhill anything, mountaineering, climbing, pretty much anything along those lines?


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Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 04 Dec 20 at 8:53am
Well, I didn't say it should be banned, I'm pretty much live and let live.
What I do say though is that I personally am not particularly impressed by the current crop. 


Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 04 Dec 20 at 8:59am
Having had some close passes on semi-submerged containers with a 3 person watch on deck plus me as skipper I can absolutely say that keeping a 24/7 watch is larger irrelevant to the UFO issue. Most of the Vendee route is in water that is not frequented, and where it is it is by ships with active AIS. I’d be much more worried about unlit fishing vessels in the Sound of Sleet (another real example) than I would be as A VG skipper on anything but the approaches to land.


Posted By: Chris_H
Date Posted: 04 Dec 20 at 9:04am
Hmm ... I thought Jean Le Cam displayed exemplary seamanship skills and wouldnt be surprised if Macron gave him some form of gong - I am sure Kevin would be pleased  .....  ;-)
Vestas (no foils) in the VOR  had a full crew and still managed to hit a stationary and rather hard bit of land... ;-)  



Posted By: Chris_H
Date Posted: 04 Dec 20 at 9:08am
Granted, this particular proposed RTW venture seems rather foolhardy and ill thought out. -  http://globalsolochallenge.com" rel="nofollow - https://globalsolochallenge.com


Posted By: Chris_H
Date Posted: 04 Dec 20 at 9:17am
And a shout out to someone who epitomises the spirit of this race - Pip Hare. Who wouldnt fall in love with her, admire and aspire to her after watching this video she posted from a very different Southern Ocean yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHmjKg3sSsQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHmjKg3sSsQ


Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 04 Dec 20 at 9:49am
Now I'm impressed by the person; Pip Hare.Thumbs Up

It's the arms race that somehow passes me by. 


Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 04 Dec 20 at 10:16am
Pip is one of my heroes. Not for the VG but for completing the Three Peaks Yacht Race double-handed. An extraordinary achievement.


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 04 Dec 20 at 10:32am
On home page it states Vendee has generated over half a million unique hits, got to be good for the sport.

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Posted By: Chris_H
Date Posted: 04 Dec 20 at 10:43am
Originally posted by 423zero

On home page it states Vendee has generated over half a million unique hits, got to be good for the sport.

Indeed.  Thumbs Up
960k people playing the Virtual Race (as am I - currently at 27k position - on the downhill slope on the ice zone limit to the Kerguelens). 
Sailing Anarchy Forum getting minute by minute responses with 74 long pages of 'sometimes' useful info. ;-)

The Vendee has lots of great exposure for all sorts of good reasons. Lets not trash it. 




Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 04 Dec 20 at 11:01am
It's also on Freesport.

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Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 04 Dec 20 at 11:47am
It should not be banned of course but, as its race, its become a total lottery of who is lucky enough not to clout something

We should really hope that none of the sailors get into real trouble



Posted By: NickM99
Date Posted: 04 Dec 20 at 9:26pm
I agree Pip is a very charismatic communicator.  I really hope she makes it round in one piece, though I don't think she will beat Ellen MacAuthur's time which she was aiming for. (Not sure anyone will this time.)  The other incredibly brave entrant for me is Damien Seguin, a multiple Paralympic gold medallist, who only has one hand. He has been well up with the leading group.


Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 15 Dec 20 at 4:21am
And now the leader is damaged again !

Incredibly close at the front



Posted By: andymck
Date Posted: 15 Dec 20 at 3:07pm
Pip has been my hero since she crewed a laser 5k
She could not pump the kite. But they still went pretty fast.
Was a blood red boat.
“So they can’t see me bleed” 😂

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Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 15 Dec 20 at 5:56pm
5K ! Brilliant, respect Thumbs Up

I crew one of those a couple of times, not subtle but I still enjoyed it.


format gone haywire as usual.


Posted By: NickM99
Date Posted: 15 Dec 20 at 7:27pm
https://www.vendeeglobe.org/en/news/21041/pip-hare-on-pushing-her-limits" rel="nofollow - News - Pip Hare on pushing her limits - Vendée Globe - En (vendeeglobe.org)
Clearly remembering her 5K days!


Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 11 Jan 21 at 3:09pm
This is getting very close - first 5 boats within 145 miles !

Amazingly close after so many 1000s of miles


Posted By: Chris_H
Date Posted: 12 Jan 21 at 8:23am
At one end of the human life scale, you have Donald Trump, and all that he represents(misrepresents). At the other end of the scale, you have Pip Hare. Inspirational, emotional, and downright bloody amazing. One day changing a rudder on her own in the Southern Ocean, the next, passing Cape Horn, in a 20 year old boat, doing far better than you would have thought.

http://twitter.com/i/status/1348898939391668224" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/i/status/1348898939391668224



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