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Topic: Feel for Tom Burton
Posted By: salmon80
Subject: Feel for Tom Burton
Date Posted: 20 Sep 19 at 8:53am
Olympic champion number 2 in the world doesn't get to go to Japan 

No other sport has such stupidity, there will be some useless club sailor from Madagascar there who doesn't even know how to tie a bowline but not him

Come on world sailing sort this out imagine no Blake cos there was Bolt no Wawrinka cos there was Federer no 2nd Kenyan marathon runner etc





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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 20 Sep 19 at 10:06am
Originally posted by salmon80

No other sport has such stupidity

Think you'll find there are only a few sports that allow more than one competitor per country in each event.


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 20 Sep 19 at 10:11am
I'm not sure the sports have a say, isn't it the Olympic Committee that allocates places?

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Posted By: By The Lee
Date Posted: 20 Sep 19 at 11:44am
Not to forget he is the current world champ...


Posted By: salmon80
Date Posted: 20 Sep 19 at 11:45am
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by salmon80

No other sport has such stupidity

Think you'll find there are only a few sports that allow more than one competitor per country in each event.

Really? Can you name any individual sports that limit a country to a single entrant?

All athletics events, boxing, tennis, table tennis, diving, swimming, gymnastics all allow multiple



Posted By: CT249
Date Posted: 20 Sep 19 at 12:07pm
Originally posted by salmon80

Olympic champion number 2 in the world doesn't get to go to Japan 

No other sport has such stupidity, there will be some useless club sailor from Madagascar there who doesn't even know how to tie a bowline but not him

Come on world sailing sort this out imagine no Blake cos there was Bolt no Wawrinka cos there was Federer no 2nd Kenyan marathon runner etc



If we don't allow that "useless" person from Madagascar then there may be no Olympic sailing for anyone. One of sailing's biggest problems, as identified by the Olympic Programme Commission, is the lack of spread across all the continents. Africa is the biggest problem.

If we had fewer Africans the sport will look even worse on a very important selection criteria. It's also not bad that Matthew Wearn finally got his chance.


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 20 Sep 19 at 12:33pm
Do we know that the club sailor from Madagascar is useless ? Perhaps we can ask Madagascars olympic committee if we can have his place ?

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Posted By: furtive
Date Posted: 20 Sep 19 at 2:07pm
Originally posted by salmon80

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by salmon80

No other sport has such stupidity

Think you'll find there are only a few sports that allow more than one competitor per country in each event.

Really? Can you name any individual sports that limit a country to a single entrant?

All athletics events, boxing, tennis, table tennis, diving, swimming, gymnastics all allow multiple


Boxing is max one per country per event, same as sailing. Same for Judo, Taekwondo, Weightlifting, Wrestling... But apart from that you're completely right...


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 21 Sep 19 at 6:46am
Originally posted by salmon80

Olympic champion number 2 in the world doesn't get to go to Japan 

No other sport has such stupidity, there will be some useless club sailor from Madagascar there who doesn't even know how to tie a bowline but not him

Come on world sailing sort this out imagine no Blake cos there was Bolt no Wawrinka cos there was Federer no 2nd Kenyan marathon runner etc


The one athlete rule makes for a brutal selection process which will occasionally leave top guys left out, but that is what makes it so very special. The Olympics are about global participation, I love it when in the opening ceremony you see some little country with one or two athletes walking behind their flag. It is completely irrelevant if that particular sailor could be beaten by your average club sailor they are there representing their country and their experience is equally as valid as the medal hopefuls.

And as any proper sailor knows the bowline is a stupid knot, it loads the rope up poorly weakening the rope dramatically  It is not stable, it works ok with rough hemp rope but not good for modern slippy rope. 


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Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 21 Sep 19 at 6:55am
So on the same basis, the silver medalist has been treated unfairly? Cheated of his chance to win gold by someone else filling the spot?. Restricting numbers is essential and as noted spreads our Olympic contestants worldwide


Posted By: MikeBz
Date Posted: 21 Sep 19 at 3:36pm
Countries have to qualify to get an entry in each class, a stupid sailor who cannot tie a bowline would not be able qualify.   Sailing is the only sport I can think of right now in which one competitor can dramatically slow down or adversely affect another (deliberately or not), if countries could have multiple entries then the jury would be very busy deciding what was deliberate team racing.


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 21 Sep 19 at 4:45pm
Originally posted by MikeBz

Countries have to qualify to get an entry in each class, a stupid sailor who cannot tie a bowline would not be able qualify.   Sailing is the only sport I can think of right now in which one competitor can dramatically slow down or adversely affect another (deliberately or not), if countries could have multiple entries then the jury would be very busy deciding what was deliberate team racing.
Zola Budd and Mary Decker might disagree but with regard Olympic sailing becoming a match race you make an very valid point 

And again proper sailors donít tie bowlines


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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 21 Sep 19 at 5:42pm
Never thought of myself as a proper sailor, which must be why I use bowlines for many things. Can't think of a better knot to tie a rear reefing line round a boom, for instance. Or even a painter to a bow.

I do demonstrate on courses how they can undo themselves in certain circumstances, though.

The real useless knot for slippery rope is the rolling hitch. I expect the sailor from Madagascar would rightly never have bothered to learn it.

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 21 Sep 19 at 5:54pm
Probably reading 'start to sail' from RYA has we write.

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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 21 Sep 19 at 6:07pm
Originally posted by Rupert

Never thought of myself as a proper sailor, which must be why I use bowlines for many things. Can't think of a better knot to tie a rear reefing line round a boom, for instance. Or even a painter to a bow.

I do demonstrate on courses how they can undo themselves in certain circumstances, though.

The real useless knot for slippery rope is the rolling hitch. I expect the sailor from Madagascar would rightly never have bothered to learn it.

My best ever capsize was tacking an IC, somehow in walking behind the back of the sail tied a clove hitch around the end of boom. 


 




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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 21 Sep 19 at 6:22pm
The people of Madagascar have been sailing multi hulls centuries before the western world did 


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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 21 Sep 19 at 7:11pm
The Olympic qualification system is pretty robust. I suspect the average club sailor would have a nasty surprise if they lined up against any of the qualifiers.


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 21 Sep 19 at 7:43pm
Originally posted by JimC

The Olympic qualification system is pretty robust. I suspect the average club sailor would have a nasty surprise if they lined up against any of the qualifiers.

Interesting, I had presumed that provided a country kept basic rule of one entry per class they could send anyone. Theoretically could not Mr average club sailor from U.K. gain Madagascan citizenship learn to tie a bowline and represent Madagascar. 

Or obviously could an Olympic champion do the same? 

My only reference point is the Eddie Eagle movie  


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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 21 Sep 19 at 8:12pm
No, entries are strictly limited, and each country has to qualify at one of a number of international events in order to be able to send someone. Its all documented on WS web site. The only country that doesn't have to qualify are the hosts.


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 21 Sep 19 at 8:28pm
Originally posted by JimC

No, entries are strictly limited, and each country has to qualify at one of a number of international events in order to be able to send someone. Its all documented on WS web site. The only country that doesn't have to qualify are the hosts.

Thanks for the clarification. 


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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 21 Sep 19 at 8:45pm
When are the Olympics in Madagascar?

That photo is great. Some amazing boats out there in the wider world.

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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 21 Sep 19 at 9:00pm
Madagascar has never won an Olympic medal, they have even sent athletes to the Winter Olympics.

We are somewhat myopic with our appreciation craft from other cultures. Obviously the Scandies built some amazing boats but they had abundant high quality material. The sailors of the Indian and Pacific Oceans did awesome things with very limited resources and creativity. 


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