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Forum Name: Racing Rules
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Topic: Pumping
Posted By: about a boat
Subject: Pumping
Date Posted: 31 Jul 13 at 2:51pm

So two situations. Which is legal, which is not, when would illegal become legal and legal become illegal?

 

1)      Sailing on the sea with the waves coming from quarter. You bear off with the wave and as it passes head up to catch the next one. You sheet in and out awhile heading up and bearing off as well as using boat trim. Consequence is you sail a course of small Sís ; and,

2)      Looking for gusts (no waves). Bearing off with them and heading up to get to them. If the gusts are big you sail long Sís if the gusts are small but many you sail small Sís but not a small as in 1 above as you stay with pressure longer than you stay with a passing wave.

    

I think the point I am trying to make is if you are using the main sheet with the boat trim to position the boat correctly in each of the above then when would it be pumping?




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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 31 Jul 13 at 3:36pm
When did the rule change from three sheets per wave?

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 31 Jul 13 at 3:40pm
A long, long time ago.

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 31 Jul 13 at 4:25pm
Lucky The EPS class, (south east division) permits pumping then.(Even on murky inland venues surrounded by trees and men wearing bottle costumes)

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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 01 Aug 13 at 7:45am
Originally posted by iGRF

Lucky The EPS class, (south east division) permits pumping then.(Even on murky inland venues surrounded by trees and men wearing bottle costumes)

Only in class racing though......


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Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 01 Aug 13 at 9:33am
Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by iGRF

Lucky The EPS class, (south east division) permits pumping then.(Even on murky inland venues surrounded by trees and men wearing bottle costumes)

Only in class racing though......

Suspect that iGRF if the only member of the southeast division!


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Posted By: gordon
Date Posted: 01 Aug 13 at 10:33am
Neither 1 nor 2 break a rule! When you change course you may trim.

One pump per wave or gust to intitate planing or durfing is allowed. If you are already surfing or planing you may not pump. If planing or surfing conditions do not exist you may not pump.



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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 01 Aug 13 at 10:33am
Is nobody going to answer the fellas question? Before I admit I haven't a clue either and would actually like to know, unfortunately I gave my carefully printed and bound copy of the rules away to our lead Merlin Bandit on his fiftieth birthday, hinting I might have made a few changes, thus ensuring he read it cover to cover.

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 01 Aug 13 at 10:34am
oops posted at same time, thanks gordon.

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 01 Aug 13 at 10:36am
What about running up and down the boat, I recall that essential surfing action was also frowned on once upon a time..

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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 01 Aug 13 at 10:39am
Originally posted by iGRF

What about running up and down the boat, I recall that essential surfing action was also frowned on once upon a time..

ooching....  not good form, put it the same category as ripping the ass out of a wetsuit for 'over hiking'.... it's just not gentlemanly.

With regards the three pumps per wave.... I think it got outlawed just after Noah got back to dry land.


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Posted By: bustinben
Date Posted: 01 Aug 13 at 10:49am
In answer to the chaps question - neither of those is pumping.  If you're changing direction you're permitted to trim the hull and the sail to facilitate it.  

The next question is, when do changes in direction breach rule 42?  That's a trickier one to answer...


Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 01 Aug 13 at 11:15am
Originally posted by Neptune

Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by iGRF

Lucky The EPS class, (south east division) permits pumping then.(Even on murky inland venues surrounded by trees and men wearing bottle costumes)

Only in class racing though......

Suspect that iGRF if the only member of the southeast division!

Only member of the EPS class full stop.....


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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 01 Aug 13 at 11:23am
Originally posted by jeffers



Only member of the EPS class full stop.....


Now now, there is a healthy little group of them unfortunately at the 'wrong' end of the country and possibly another winging its way down to our club.

Not sure if there actually is a class association per se, I wouldn't join it anyway on principle, class associations are the devils work, I only enlisted in the Alto coven to get a better deal on a spinnaker..

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 01 Aug 13 at 11:26am
Back on topic you're hardly going to work waves without changing direction so they can't make that illegal and moving forward to promote planing, then back once on the wave is hardly oohing, given the argument could be made that you are correcting the attitude of the boat to prevent a nose dive.

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Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 01 Aug 13 at 12:45pm
Of course there is the puddle and river sailors trick of dropping something into the bottom of the boat and then reacing in to pick it up and then leaning back hard to get the boat level. Very clumsy us puddle sailors we drop things a lot. esp in very light winds.Wink
It is noticeable in some classes more than others!!!!


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 01 Aug 13 at 1:04pm
Sponging the water out of a leaky boat is a good one...

As for EPS's, there are now 3 at Whitefriars with people on board who know what they are doing - they give the Phantoms a run for their money...

There will probably be another Open Meeting for EPS's next spring, so maybe GRF should pop over and meet them.


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Posted By: about a boat
Date Posted: 01 Aug 13 at 1:08pm
Thanks guys for the (relevant) repnses. Interting this ooooching stuff. So how does that relate to the Rooster Boat Whisper DVD when he says to use your legs locked in the toes straps to lift the bow and stern over waves?


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 01 Aug 13 at 2:02pm
That is totally legal - you are using body weight to lift and depress the bow, whilst still sitting out hard, to play the waves better, keep the boat moving and stop the bow burying.

The thing I wonder about with his videos is the tacking technique - now, I'm a fan of roll tacking, and getting back up to speed quickly (the speed you were going at before you even start to luff) but the Laser techniques do appear to stretch that a long, long way.


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Posted By: JohnW
Date Posted: 01 Aug 13 at 3:18pm
Originally posted by rogerd

Of course there is the puddle and river sailors trick of dropping something into the bottom of the boat and then reacing in to pick it up and then leaning back hard to get the boat level. Very clumsy us puddle sailors we drop things a lot. esp in very light winds.Wink
It is noticeable in some classes more than others!!!!

I have often observed a lot of shoelace and burgee checking in light winds. 
I assume it must be a health and safety thing required in some classes.
 
- lean in to check shoe laces are securely fastened
- lean back to ensure burgee is not going to fall on your head
- Repeat regularly to ensure safety throughout the race.

Smile


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Posted By: Ian29937
Date Posted: 01 Aug 13 at 5:09pm
One of the attractions of buying the 700 was that you are normally overpowered - very little burgee checking in evidence, if ever :)

Ian


Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 03 Aug 13 at 4:49pm
Being an old geezer with a stiff neck, and wearing a peaked cap, I can't check the birgee without leaning backwards. Fortunately no shoe lace problem as the boots have Velcro fasteners.



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