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    Posted: 09 Aug 12 at 9:46am
Originally posted by G.R.F.

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Then there are folk who like courses like that, we used to call them good tactical sailors, lots of things going on, fast Oscillating shifts, steep course sides = possible wind bends, + tides, interesting that the good sailors that weren't otherwise distracted with messing each other up, still won.

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There there, no need to be scared sonny, I've got a handle on it, and like they say, it's the same for everybody. Smile 
... yes it is the same for everyone ... sh1te ... once you have grasped some understanding of racing tactics you may get it. Perhaps it's worth you doing some sailing events to learn a bit more, I saw you made a start with a last (almost) at the RS100 Nationals LOL
 
 
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Originally posted by L192444

Originally posted by G.R.F.

Then there are folk who like courses like that, we used to call them good tactical sailors, lots of things going on, fast Oscillating shifts, steep course sides = possible wind bends, + tides, interesting that the good sailors that weren't otherwise distracted with messing each other up, still won.

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There there, no need to be scared sonny, I've got a handle on it, and like they say, it's the same for everybody. Smile 
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I spent yesterday afternoon sat on the (free) boulders in front of the Nothe course. Being there drove home in a way the TV does not how short the medal race courses are and how variable the wind.

I don't really have a problem with that for the Women's Match Racing because the boats don't split across the course anyway and it's a best-of-five format so luck tends to balance out.

But if you've got to have a double-points no-discard medal race, this is no place to run it. No self-respecting class would allow its Nationals to be run in a locate like the Nothe course.
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Then there are folk who like courses like that, we used to call them good tactical sailors, lots of things going on, fast Oscillating shifts, steep course sides = possible wind bends, + tides, interesting that the good sailors that weren't otherwise distracted with messing each other up, still won.

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IOC decides number of competitors - sailing's hard limit is 380. That's not a number that's going to go up. Very unlikely 10 medal limit will go up either. 

One boat per country also for rowing. Plenty of other sports as well, IIRC. 
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Those of us who heard Rod Carrs admission at a dinner at HISC Last winter; that the regatta was not about the competitors but the media and the resultant Medal Race Course stuck in a corner on unpredictable shifting and erratic winds and tidal swirls were not disapointed in our gloomy predictions. The five ring circus is now an expensive luxury our sport cannot afford.
 
At the press conferences after the races, non of the first three in either The Star or Finn classes said anything but; "that it was no way to run any yacht race let alone the Medal Race of an Olympic Regatta".
 
Jaques Rogge; who is a yachtsman should be ashamed, so should those who allowed the IOC to bully them.
 
Having said that just look at the Star easily (Since the removal of The Dragon after 1972.) The most elegant boat in the Olympics with so far the highest standard just look at the Gold Stars on the sails of many of the competitors signifying they had won a Star World Championships and the number of Olympic medal holders in the fleet.
 
No one can say if the results would have been different if the races had been held out at sea where they should have been but one can say that the results would have had more authority.
 
Putting the course where it in no way improved the Television Coverage; it was not as good as Qindau, Athens or any regatta back to Barcelona, the commentary frankly condesending.
 
Another thing one nation one boat? It doesn't seem to worry anyone that the 100 metre final on the track was dominated by Afro Caribeans with ranking in the International Classes it would not be difficult to let the top 40 attend.
 
The BBC commentary seemsto begetting better or are we just used to it?
 
It is not the ISAF or at least it is but only in allowing the IOC to bully them, if not being an Olympic Sports is the price we pay for decent racing in decent boats then so be it.
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Originally posted by Oatsandbeans

Exactly my point! In the end the sailors with the skills required for the conditions on the race course come to the top, and the sailors that can't sort it out whinge. I learnt to sail in the lake district and if you think that its shifty on the Nothe course get yourself up to Bassenthwaite for Bass Week on right now, and have a go there. Its funny but the same people go on winning there- " How do they manage that then?"

Possibly because they're better sailors... but you can't rule out the possibility that all olympic sailors know about windshifts, the importance of sailing in the pressure etc, and at that point it becomes a lottery. 
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Originally posted by Oatsandbeans

Exactly my point! In the end the sailors with the skills required for the conditions on the race course come to the top, and the sailors that can't sort it out whinge. I learnt to sail in the lake district and if you think that its shifty on the Nothe course get yourself up to Bassenthwaite for Bass Week on right now, and have a go there. Its funny but the same people go on winning there- " How do they manage that then?"

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I suspect some on here don't really understand what they have seen.

In many cases there has been one permanent (in the context of the leg) wind feature be it a big shift or pressure change. In that context it's just luck who gets what. 
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Exactly my point! In the end the sailors with the skills required for the conditions on the race course come to the top, and the sailors that can't sort it out whinge. I learnt to sail in the lake district and if you think that its shifty on the Nothe course get yourself up to Bassenthwaite for Bass Week on right now, and have a go there. Its funny but the same people go on winning there- " How do they manage that then?"
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