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The Chinese will be very happy to increase their sphere of influence from Africa into South America - the politics will be fascinating and the ramifications way beyond the political nous of our current 'masters'. 
 
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IN 1980 the sponsors were so worried by the press backlash that for example - in rowing - the sponsor pulled out all the promised support money. Sponsors can push in either direction  just like politcians.  They feed off sporting success when it suits them .
 
I have no idea what the Argies can or can not do in 2016 wiht out without fellow South American help,   what I do know that in next 20 years boycotts will not go away and I do not want to watch one to happen, and I did not do my absolute best in 2012 - when we - the 1980 team  - had a real chance to make changes happen. 
 
It could be the best thing we ever did for the sport.
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Originally posted by Colin Simonds


It could be the best thing we ever did for the sport.

really?  You're clearly very passionate (still) and resentful about the situation for which I am deeply sympathetic.  However I think there's pretty much some small consensus here that would think the RYA's last ever course of action would be make a political statement about a global situation by vetoing participation at the Olympics.  There's just too much money and genuine political equity at stake for some grandiose crusade that does not directly affect their core mission of self regulating, representing and growing the UK sailing and boating community. Even if on paper, they still have some archaic right, I strongly doubt they would exercise that right unless lobbied to 'fall in line' by a larger player up the food chain- e.g. UK government or the BOA, and if this were the case, ALL participation would be questioned, not just the dinghy sailing, cat saling and kite boarding.

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Yes passionate is true - that is why I am doing this - that is why after 30 years this still burns me and others in the team and indeed others who might have made the team. a couple of key prospects did not even attend the trials as the Olympics already seemed unlikely.
But one point you may be missing is that if the proverbial hits the fan again and pressure is put on sport generally to boycott  - there are still a few sports - sailing included -  where the killer decision is held by the Sports own council - the RYA in our case. 
The main big sports like athletics  the decision in 1980 and still now  is held by the sportsmen by vote - that is why they went - that is why Lord Coe and Duncan Mayhew went - in 1980.
Our team ( not me to be honest) lost 3 solid gold chances of gold medals at Moscow. and almost all the team were rated medal prospects.
Our next generation of stars could again watch other teams go - win medals - get MBEs and careers in sport,  while they stay at home.
WE MUST NOT ALLOW THE RYA TO RISK THIS the vote should be passed fomr the council to the athletes like other sports
 
 
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Originally posted by Colin Simonds

The RYA will boycott another Olympics



Colin

I'm sorry that you didn't get a chance to compete at the games - you're clearly a talented sailor, but surely 30 years on it's time to let it lie?

RYA funding is delivered by Olympic success, if we do well in 2012 then we'll be setup - as much as we can given all the cutbacks planned for 2016. I can only see 2 scenarios where we might not go to the games in 2016.

(1) The government says no
(2) The BOA says no - across all sports..

I don't believe a commercial, political RYA of the 21st century would leave itself open to ridicule / loss of sponsorship by unilaterally refusing to send a team unless either 1 or 2 above applies. Sorry but I think youre 'campaign' is somewhat pointless.

oh and please learn how to turn off bold on all your posts - it makes them hard to read...



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they wouldnt boycott a home olympics anyway, please stop typing in bold, its annoying
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laser 4000,

I agree with the jist of what you say, but the fact still remains that the RYA have retained their own authority to boycott unilaterally.
I would much prefer them to relinquish that right to the BOA so there is no doubt and no chance of political pressure being brought to bear on a sport where political correctness is currently absent.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote alstorer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Apr 12 at 8:41am
As I said earlier, stripping away the hyperbole about the what-ifs surrounding south america, your proposal is actually very sound.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote G.R.F. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Apr 12 at 9:26am
So if the RYA in the 21st century would be so reluctant to consider a boycott then why do they cling on to it? And why are any of you even arguing against this suggestion.

Politics in general is an at best dishonest at worse evil war generating entity, Politics in sport is an abomination. Sport brings nations together, sportsmen and women view each other in an entirely different light than members of another 'nationality' 'religion' or 'culture', it's the evil b**tards that feed off their enterprises that cause trouble.

I can see no reason in the 21st century for the RYA to retain the right to insist on retaining a boycott, they don't own sailors, they are a supposedly a body of sailors gathered to defend their own interests, something that is oft forgotten by the jobsworths hired to run the body.
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