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    Posted: 21 Jul 14 at 2:01pm
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Originally posted by 2547


but how did he get there?


I think the key thing is I now know so so much more than I knew back then and of course I've now sailed them. My problem is always that I assume I know much more about stuff than perhaps I really do and if I don't know it I'll wing it anyway, always have done, probably because in other areas I really do know what I'm talking about.

So at the time of the RS100 launch I'd barely had two figure hours in a single hander and they were in the Blaze and Prior to that the Musto which if I recall correctly was before the crack on the head from the kiting incident that screwed up some of my motor functions.

So as useful as I might have thought I was as a rear end to a crewed set up, sailing a single hander and more importantly sailing it well, is a whole other ball game that I'd had nowhere near the hours under the belt that I have now.

I'm not saying I could sail a D1 to any serious level, but I'm a much better single handed helm and appreciator of bad and good design features, now than I was then, given I also spent a considerable sum finding out bad design features of a single handed boat with the proceeds of the sale of that RS100 and a little help from the taxman.

What one still wonders, given most folk learn from mistakes, is why after all these years, mistakes continue to be made in building the bloody things in the first place.

However the D1, particularly the mast, which if I recall correctly was the subject that created all the negative debate at the time, the 'ugly' thing not really being relevant since that will always be in the eye of the beholder, so the mast is actually really sound, the sail, well it's quite pokey and no it would definitely not suit me, even with the racks right out and I think even they would probably be the first to admit that Dans D Zero rig is more efficient at gust handling, but it's tiny nit picking differences and they are both nicer rigs than I remember either of the 100's being, they do at least go up wind which only the 10.2 was any good at as I recall, in fact that Zero is so close to the D1 you can't believe it. It's only when you turn and burn that the D1 shows its heels.

But there are lots of other nice features, the kite hoist and drop even though I did it exactly the opposite to the way they told me (It's alzheimers ) is smooth and easy. The controls all look so.. well professional, better engineered, and stable, it felt more stable than the Alto, no wobbles at all, does anyone ever fall over in it?
I don't like daggerboard and I don't like the shafted rudder, but I've come to have to use them with the EPS and at Hythe it would still be a problem for a sailor with less confidence, (which was me five years ago) and they are both smoother to operate than my experience with the MPS all those formative years ago when bad experiences crystallised views.
But not a problem at most peoples venues where trolley launches are the norm.

So, how was I wrong? Because I wasn't as experienced as I am now, but then nor are lots of people so our views are representative of our confidence is perhaps the best way to accept them.
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I went to the Gold Cup for my test sail.  Not only was the boat awesome, but so was the atmosphere and the whole feeling around the class.  Winning formula.
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Its obviously safer to buy an established class that is already sailed at your club.

I think its more a function of being able to test the boat on your home waters or somewhere similar before you buy. Also make sure it is a full production boat as prototypes are just that.

Big classes, circuits and the like are important for some sailors, whereas just buying a boat that suits them and the enjoy sailing is more important to others. 




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Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by kneewrecker

 
Any lessons for the future?  Sure, be carefully buying into an new class...

I guess that is the bottom line; introductory offers are often very tempting but the longer term costs could be significant unless you are also smart enough to bail out early too ...

yep- you could say that  LOL

I also think there's been a bit more understanding around asymmetric racing and its suitability in most club conditions.  If I wanted another asymmetric singlehander, then there is only one option and it would inevitably involve road miles to find somewhere with suitable racing for it.  If I moved back to London I would get one...  
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Originally posted by kneewrecker

 
Any lessons for the future?  Sure, be carefully buying into an new class...

I guess that is the bottom line; introductory offers are often very tempting but the longer term costs could be significant unless you are also smart enough to bail out early too ...
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That's a rather simplistic appraisal of the situation... 

I don't doubt for one minute which is the better boat and I haven't for some time.  But at the time the launches the RS100 was not far off half the price of the then 1:1 FX that cursed the early iterations of the D-One marketing campaign - if you can call it a marketing campaign.  Some grainy video of Sten sailing that 'royal blue' bathroom suite and Luca ranting when there seemed to be some fairly universal dislike towards the aesthetics- less of an issue today 1) they've tidied it up immensely and 2) 'skiff' styling looks a bit old hat now anyway.

Coupled with some further major considerations around the RS 'machine' support being strong enough to kick-start the programme- culminating in 43 boats at the first nationals (has either class matched this domestically in the UK to date???), for early adopters in the UK there was really only one sensible choice- even if it wasn't 'the better boat' in the longer term.  

Sure, what is now, 6 or 7 years after the initial discussions about prototypes hit this forum, it's easy to say 'on reflection we were wrong' for all manner of reasons.  The biggest one for me personally is what Tim identified from the outset- multiple rigs - it's failed big time and some have lost faith in the parent brand as a result.  The company who had built their reputation for bringing all sailors together, had indadvertedly launched a product which drives them apart....   I hope the RS Aero restores that to some level, maybe even challenging the multiple rig failing- although I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole until I saw where the 9 ends up with a more established position in the sailing scene.  

But at that time, in the UK at least, the D-One just looked a little wrong, was priced a little too high and was hampered by a domestic competitor with frankly far stronger positioning.  These things take time to break down organically, even if the D-One had the first-to-market advantage and would have been be a clear favourite on an impartial test sail.  

Any lessons for the future?  Sure, be carefully buying into an new class, or don't give a sh*t and go enjoy sailing whatever it is.... no news there then.  


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Originally posted by KeithF

Thanks GRF.

Having owned a D-One for four years and lived through all the negative hype and cr** it's nice to see that FINALLY people are sailing it and realising what a great boat it is.

D-Zero coming soon - can't wait!

Keith.

What interests me is how/why iGFR developed such strong opinions on the RS100 & D-1 and then spent a long time pedalling them on-line only to discover the RS100 didn't live up to the hype and that the D-1 is in fact a very nice boat ...

All the evidence was there at the time yet his opinion was polarised in the other direction.

At least he is man enough, on this one occasion to admit he's wrong, but how did he get there?

The best advice, which was offered at the time, is to try both boats prior to purchase ... never buy off plan.
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Thanks GRF.

Having owned a D-One for four years and lived through all the negative hype and cr** it's nice to see that FINALLY people are sailing it and realising what a great boat it is.

D-Zero coming soon - can't wait!

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GRF - hats off to you ... it's certainly a day that'll down in the anals of Y&Y forum. 


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