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'Should the RCYC be splitting the class providing a cup for optimised boats and those that still are racing in the spriit of the quater ton class under IOR config'

The RCYC can race both classes together under IRC as one fleet but just have a sub breakdown of prizes for the ones still in IOR config. and those that had been optimised. Yes We all know by the end of IOR it was a cr*p rule as it was encouraging slow bad boat design features such as massivly bumped sterns for example and other slow your boat down features in order to bring the rating down. 



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I think you have to look at where a lot of these boats are coming from. Most that have been heavily IRC optimised were found rotting in barns and had to be re-built anyway. The likes of Morty et al, who happen to have a bit of cash, have got a lot of these boats back on the water and competitive and yes they cost a lot of money. That said there are also several highly successful production 1/4 tonners like Boleros, MG Spring 26s, and GK24s which should be able to compete under IRC reasonably well for little cost.
A lot of one off 1/4 tonners were ply boats built to minimum weight and longevity was not their strong point.
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Originally posted by Roy Race

Why don't they race them under the original format. IOR or whatever it was they were designed to in the first place?

Because you can't get IOR certificates any more. Because 90% of the racing these boats do is in general IRC classes anyway. Because they are just much nicer boats optimised for IRC. IOR produced horrible boats in its later years, which is why it died.

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Originally posted by detente

 but is becoming cheque book sailing.

The ton classes always were cheque-book sailing. There's obviously enough people who want to play this game and good luck to them.

 

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I've heard about this. Why don't they race them under the original format. IOR or whatever it was they were designed to in the first place?

Not sure about your split fleet idea. How do you define what has been optimised and what hasn't, or what is within the spirit and what isn't? One person's definition of "within the spirit" may be different to the next person's.

That would get very ugly very quickly.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote detente Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 09 at 12:30pm

Having looked indepth into possible campaign into the quater tonner class revival it seems that the class has lossed the spirit of the event as it was intended. In order to have a competitive 1/4 tonner these days owners are spending between 20 - 50k on optimising their old quater tonner boats making them IRC friendly. It is getting ridiclious as the event quite rightly will not allow new built boats however some crews are taking old quaters throwing rigs, keels rudders, even entire deck away and rebuilding them to optimise them to suit the IRC rule under which the event is run. The hull might be origional but are they still able to class them as quater tonners? 

This may be all well and good producing a more interesting boat to race but is becoming cheque book sailing. The old unoptimised quaters still racing in IOR config. do not stand a chance at winning against those that have thrown silly money at rebuilding old quaters. Should the RCYC be splitting the class providing a cup for optimised boats and those that still are racing in the spriit of the quater ton class under IOR config??

The jury might be out on this one......

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