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The solution is of course to form local classes/handicap groupings in which only a single class fits with on tinny winny modification......

Please don't get me wrong, for large events the rule seems to fit the bill, and i don't dispute the hard work but in by national and international governing bodies, but we all know sailors who will use this rule to protest out sailors who are using replica sails in club races on a wednesday evening.  Why not re-word the rule to read at any race held under the auspisis of the Class assoc........ie opens/regional/Nationals etc.  Any leave clubs to decide if they approve the use of replicas for club races.  Lets face it where manufacturers are charging a fair price for the product there is no market for replicas anyway.  If ISAF wants to protect revenue streams why not formalise the use of replicas for club races and charge the replica manufacturer the ISAF fee.  That would go down well with a certain very large manufacturer....not.

Oh and lost measurement certificates, you should see the pain in the rear end getting the ones for the Europe is turning into, so technically I can be kicked form any race I enter in it!

And taking the example of well know builder of replica sails, as well as making a tidy profit I always found him and his team hugely approachable and willing to offer advice and tips whenever asked.

I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!
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Originally posted by Guest#260

A PY is for a class of boat

Nope. A PY is for an individual boat. It's very common in club-level yacht racing for a club to give a PY to a specific yacht based on it's individual sail-plan, prop configuration etc. A club may choose to give all the boats in a class the same PY, or it may choose to apply golf-type handicaps and give different PYs to boats in the same class. Similarly it's common in development classes for clubs to give a more favourable PY numbers to older boats in a class. There's nothing whatsover stopping a club giving a PY number to an out-of-class boat and nothing to stop that number being the same - or different - to class-compliant boats. 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 09 at 4:42pm

Originally posted by tack'ho

And taking the example of well know builder of replica sails, as well as making a tidy profit I always found him and his team hugely approachable and willing to offer advice and tips whenever asked.

Hear, hear. He's someone who has always gone out of his way to help and encourage other sailors. "Putting nothing into sailing" - bah humbug to that.

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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Originally posted by Guest#260

A PY is for a class of boat

Nope. A PY is for an individual boat.

Is that so?

Ok - where can I find the PY for Musto Skiff GBR293?

 

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Originally posted by Guest#260

Ok - where can I find the PY for Musto Skiff GBR293?

Ask your club. PYs come from the club running the racing. Two clubs could give different PYs to the same boat.



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Originally posted by Guest#260

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Nope. A PY is for an individual boat.

Ok - where can I find the PY for Musto Skiff GBR293?

Same as any other PY, its allocated to your boat by the race management using the data at their disposal. Its conventional for the race management to give the same number to every boat in a one design class but not essential. If a club really wanted to save sailors money then rather than permitting replica sails they would give a PY allowance for old sails. Then Laser sailors could use 'orrible old rags until they actually fell apart.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Guest#260

Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd


Nope. A PY is for an individual boat.

Ok - where can I find the PY for Musto Skiff GBR293?

Same as any other PY, its allocated to your boat by the race management using the data at their disposal. Its conventional for the race management to give the same number to every boat in a one design class but not essential. If a club really wanted to save sailors money then rather than permitting replica sails they would give a PY allowance for old sails. Then Laser sailors could use 'orrible old rags until they actually fell apart.

You learn something every day (well most days anyway ....)

But the best thing is of course scratch class racing so why would you want to give different Lasers different PYs based on sail age? Plus all the work you make for the race recorders ...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andymac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 09 at 7:48pm

Originally posted by JimC

Then Laser sailors could use 'orrible old rags until they actually fell apart.

So that would be about half a season old then

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does "class rules" cover the specific sailing instructions for a class?

i.e. could an RS class hit marks in club racing?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andymac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 09 at 9:12pm

That is a very valid question, since there are some classes I believe that allow touching a mark without incurring a penalty. Don't know if the relevant class rules specify this rule for class fleet racing only, otherwise there should be a club S.I. written in for handicap racing to switch this class rule off.

Would be an interesting one if that ever went to protest....

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