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    Posted: 29 Apr 07 at 8:21pm
I'm getting really annoyed these days at the length of the races at my club.  For the last 4 weeks now my crew and I have retired before the end of a race because they were just too long.  I personally think that a race should be not much longer than an hour but for weeks now races have been over two hours.  I don't know about you guys but I like to go and have a drink after racing or just get home and have my lunch and then have a life in the afternoon but with these ridiculous length races it just takes up the whole day really.  We have a word with the race officer every time and tell them to not make it too long but it just makes no difference.  The problem is that the race officers are usually non-sailors and don't understand what we're thinking out there and just keep on sending us round lap after lap.  Am I just being a whinger on this one or do other people think that 2 and a half hour races are too long?  How long do races at your club last?
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At Budworth we have 3 or 4 races each lasting about 45 minutes each. It's a great format, close racing al the way through, and lots of them!

Even in modern championships races are rarely longer than 1.5 hours, so I'd agree with you anything over 2 hours is too long.

Out of interest does your club have tidal restraints, or just one race a day?
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1 hour or there abouts is enough.

I will admit that on the odd occasion where the wind has been the correct strength, the sun has been out and it's not too hot or too cold, I feel that I could go on forever.  But an hour is usually enough.  It gives you the knowlede that if you are closing in or defending your position, you have a finite lenght of time to do your thing

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Yeah exactly but they keep it going even when there's about 5 kts wind, and a crap course where positions aren't going to change.  Yes we get about 2 hours sailing water either side of high tide.
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Yup, 2 or 3 X 45 Min races is always good, weather they are back-to-back or with a break in between.

Talk to the comitee, and tell them. They don't know the pain they are causing until you tell them.

Alternativley, get some sailors to help run the racing. What good are non-sailors who have been forced to do a duty?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mike ellis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 07 at 9:04pm
we have been having the opposite problem, too short races, 3/4 of an hour if we are lucky and a stupidly short course so the small handycap people can sail. we sometimes get 2 courses for fast and slow H'cap but then the SB driver moans he doesn't feel he can cover both courses. personally i think between 1 1/4 and 1 1/2 hours is fine for race length. and give us nice long courses with a proper beat and some interesting reaches rather than dead runs.
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Personally, I like long courses that you can get stuck into and really go places (obviously this wouldn't apply on a small pond). So 2.5 to 3 hours on the Medway wouldn't bother me at all. For something as major as the Isle of Sheppey race, all day is OK!

Our club races tend to be 1 1/4 to 1 1/2, which generally gives us sufficient sailing in the better parts of the river downstream. Anything much less than two of those or one longer race I'd hardly consider worthwhile going to the club for and breaking into my day.

On the other hand, I find three races a day at other clubs I've belonged to a bit much, and the races tend to blur into one another by the time I get home. Preferably fewer and longer.

I should maybe qualify all that by saying I'm talking about handicap racing on big, single-lap courses. For class racing, a mixture of lengths/formats is nice. Bashing out identical windward-leewards or sausage-triangles one after another can get a bit tedious.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote MRJP BUZZ 585 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Apr 07 at 10:39am
I think an hour or there abouts is definately long enough for one race, at our club we have a race of that length in the morning then have lunch then two races basically back to back after lunch which I feel works well
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Originally posted by Prince Buster

We have a word with the race officer every time and tell them

So one team "tells them" and it makes no difference. Quite right too. These sort of requests should be raised through your fleet captain, assuming you have one (and if you don't, you should).

If you are limited by tide to one race a day, then a couple of hours doesn't sound too long to me. If several shorter races are an option, then most people tend to prefer that.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Prince Buster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Apr 07 at 2:46pm
My crew is the fleet captain.  And it's not just us who ask for shorter races, it's the whole fleet!  Personally I think that an hour is long enough to get a fair spread of reults and positions and often after that it's just a boring parade.  After an hour people often start getting cold, hungry, tired, bored and if nature not only calls but screams another hour and a half on top is a bit hard to face!!  If the races were shortened I think we would see more boats finishing and less grumpy people on the slipway.
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