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Many of the olympic boats are expensive and relatively unexciting and thus not popular.  The Laser has to be better than a Finn from many points of view, the Star is disproportionately expensive for its performance and there has to be a more exciting boat for good sailors than the Yingling.  The Tornado may be the fastest cat but I'm sure a new design could be faster and cheaper.  The Europe was a lovely boat but for olympic competitors hugely expensive with some sailors going through a dozen masts and scores of sails to get that extra bit of performance.  And why do we have different classes for women and men when heavy weight can be such a disadvantage in many classes.

Men and women should compete on equal terms in modern, one design classes.  The cat should be a Hobie Tiger, the skiff should be a 49er, the single hander should be a Laser Radial and the board should be a RSX, forget all the rest but if you must have a keel boat it should be a SB3.  If you must have a conventional dinghy then the 470 is about OK for olympic athletes of either sex.

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 Perhaps a quick tour of the worlds sailing clubs would reveal the boats of choice for the average sailor. What is needed are representative and recognisable craft. They should also be modern and asperational. Replace the horrid Finn with Phantom and the 470 with B14 or 59er. Regarding Olympic T.V. coverage, short edited films which show the dramatic bits without the visualy boring stuff could increase the visual appeal. I will happily undetake the world tour and await the summons from the Olympic Commitee.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Harry44981! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 06 at 10:03pm
Originally posted by NickA

....... nearly as weird as the RYA pushing toppers....

Not weird at all then....

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Originally posted by tickel

 Perhaps a quick tour of the worlds sailing clubs would reveal the boats of choice for the average sailor. What is needed are representative and recognisable craft. They should also be modern and asperational. Replace the horrid Finn with Phantom and the 470 with B14 or 59er. Regarding Olympic T.V. coverage, short edited films which show the dramatic bits without the visualy boring stuff could increase the visual appeal. I will happily undetake the world tour and await the summons from the Olympic Commitee.

I totally agree

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The opinion I see emerging here is that most of the boats people want to see are single handers or asymmetric,which is fine by me but,

Should we be dropping conventional spinnakers for asymmetric.Personally I think we should always have a conventional spinnaker in the Olympics.The 470 is the perfect boat for that.

(And I only sail asymmetrics )

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One of the best boats I've sailed was a 470, full of power but still light and responsive, the way I judged her was basically a 505 with a bit of weight shaven off. The way forward in my eyes is to make the 470 an open class, freeing up space for the 29erXX to gain selection, or possibly the RS800, B14 or Cherub, for the womens double-handed category. I agree with Les, you can't drop conventional boats from the Olympics and the 470 fills the bill ideally.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jon Emmett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 7:53am

Why not replace the Yngling with the 79er (please note I do not work for Ovi, I just like their boats!!!)

 

Another point is RS boats do not really feature that much outside the UK, so would not be a good choice from the international perspective, unless LDC changed their marketing strategy...

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I think there are a couple of very popular misconceptions:
  1. That it is more of an achievement to win in an old, painful boat like the Finn, compared to a more modern and responsive lighter boat.  This is false, to achieve at Olympic level is an almost (but not quite) impossible achievement, and the choice of boat has nothing to do with that.
  2. That it is only in a specialised class like the Finn or Europe that the sailor "from Africa" would have to live and sail in Europe to be competitive.  This is also false.  To compete at Olympic level in the Laser or Laser radial also requires a full time committment to living and sailing on the international circuit.  Compared to this expense, the cost of the boat is almost trivial, so the class selection is really not that important.
I quite like the idea that somebody came up with on Sailing Anarchy, which is to have totally "blind" classes, that nobody can practice on beforehand.  Pitch up at the Olympics and THEN discover what newly designed boat you will be sailing.  Maybe it's not practical, but it would save a fortune in boat tinkering before the Olympics, and would also open up the possibility of having boats that really suit the conditions.  It looks like you would want massively over-canvassed boats for China, for example ...
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The thing that most restricts the choice of classes is their International distribution. The Yngling was, for example, the only remotely suitable keel boat class that had anything like a balanced international distribution. All the others were Americas only, Europe only or Commonwealth nations only.

I'd like to see the 470 stay on as a mixed doubles class, one woman, one man, who crews and who helms unrestricted.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by JimC



I'd like to see the 470 stay on as a mixed doubles class, one woman, one man, who crews and who helms unrestricted.


sounds like an excellent idea!

Its allowed in badminton, so why not in sailing! It would certainly reflect a huge number of mixed teams found in many classes at club and national level.

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