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Enterprise largest double handed class association in the world, several builders, like wise sail makers, hardly a dead class going nowhere.

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Would think that she needs to work out what type of sailing she wants to do join a club, or have a boat on a trailer to go and potter?  Is the idea to get her husband sailing or the children, though not mutually exclusive it would have a bearing.   

The children will be pretty small right now and the last thing you want to do is scare them.  Maybe a bit or of pottering off a beach on a sunny day might be a good introduction, in which case a good S/H Mirror with rowing option would provide a good Swallows and Amazons experience.  You could up the boat in the garden to add to the experience. 
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With that experience, a 2nd hand National 12 would be a good idea, especially as the children get a bit older. Something from the late 90s/ early 00s would be very cheap, carbon and fun. 
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Another vote for the 2000. Plenty of room, asymmetric spinnaker, sturdy but not obese hulls, sprightly performance. And active class as well.
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But are any of those builders making new Ents? Not that the class reports state. One of the more dead national classes for sure. 
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Originally posted by 423zero

Enterprise largest double handed class in the world, several builders, like wise sail makers, hardly a dead class going nowhere.

Im sorry but have you been at the sherry?  LOL

Its been 20-25 years since the Ent was any sort of force in the dinghy world and it is now lingering. It's a shame, but every niche the Ent appealed to once upon a time is now occupied by a class that does it better. 

That said, this is why you can buy a boat capable of winning open meetings for a few hundred pound and shoudn't under any circumstances spend more than 1000 on one.

Laser 2000 - why would anyone who didn't specifically want to race one want to buy one? The Wayfarer is bigger, a GP14 lighter, and both cheaper along with several other classes.



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46 Ents at the 2019 Nationals, the Laser/ILCA 7 had 37 in the same year...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Grumpycat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Dec 21 at 6:14pm
Originally posted by Paramedic

Originally posted by 423zero

Enterprise largest double handed class in the world, several builders, like wise sail makers, hardly a dead class going nowhere.

Im sorry but have you been at the sherry?  LOL

Its been 20-25 years since the Ent was any sort of force in the dinghy world and it is now lingering. It's a shame, but every niche the Ent appealed to once upon a time is now occupied by a class that does it better. 

That said, this is why you can buy a boat capable of winning open meetings for a few hundred pound and shoudn't under any circumstances spend more than 1000 on one.

Laser 2000 - why would anyone who didn't specifically want to race one want to buy one? The Wayfarer is bigger, a GP14 lighter, and both cheaper along with several other classes.


Re the enterprise comments, neither are correct in my view. And like with a lot of things in life , the truth is somewhere in the middle .  Smile
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Originally posted by Grumpycat


Re the enterprise comments, neither are correct in my view. And like with a lot of things in life , the truth is somewhere in the middle .  Smile

Well, round here it's dead. From what I gather apart from a handful of stalwart clubs its dead

The fleets at small clubs have collapsed, they are lucky to get off one hand, never mind see double figures at an open meeting and its close to bottom of the list when you discuss what to buy, largely because the boats are either wooden and require maintenance or plastic and falling to bits rather than any inherent fault in the class itself.

I still think the Ent has a place, but talking it up as the biggest doubleheader in the world is false - they haven't even had for a world champs for years. It's up there with the advice to a newcomer to buy the fastest boat they can cos they'll be able to keep up with good sailors in slower boats. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but this is being factually incorrect and using incorrect facts to give poor advice.

But, as I alluded, this means you can get a really good one for not a lot of money - but it'll be wooden. Could be why they are seeing a bit of a comeback at champs level, lots of ex rockstars coming back for another go. In the 80's and early 90's it was a huge class.

By the way this isn't intended to be a character assassination on the ent class, but it is about giving accurate advice - one or two of us haven't done that.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Dec 21 at 7:04pm
Hardly the thread to discuss Enterprise' past, present or future, I stand by my comment regarding suitability of Enterprise.
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