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But a boat with 4 rigs already and maybe another one, each with a different section is getting a bit bonkers - a very basic rig which has a limited wind range? Most boats have only really have one sized sail even if they can have different cuts - moth, ok, lightning, supernova, solo, dzero, blaze, streaker, phantom etc Some  I agree have added a small sail but all of them are only really focused on the one Ďsizedí sail which caters for most in most conditions. Sort of makes the Aero itís own handicap class fleet - bit of a nightmare as an RO finishing a lot even with flashes on the sail.

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Woodman , The point is RS have another rig to sell . I always felt the the rig sizes were a little out , 5/6 and 8 would have made more sense to me. But what do I know ? Lol .
The bottom line is some rigs will prosper and some will die .
Re identification, I am pushing 60 , sail at a tiny club and am short sighted and I have never had a problem telling a 4.7/radial /standard laser apart and itís just as easy with the aero if you can be bothered to know the colours . 
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Streaker has the Wave small sail for lighter sailors, I'm not sure if it has a separate handicap, Blaze has Fire and Halo sails as well as the standard sail though they haven't really taken off. Like the Aero and Laser both Fire and Halo are considered different classes from the Blaze standard sail.
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Originally posted by davidyacht

I can see problems for ROs identifying the titchy Aero 5, 6, 7 and 9 numbers to attribute the correct PY numbers, and there is scope for banditry at one off events, but if RS think that this will result in more participation, then it is probably a good thing.

The different size rigs have different coloured flashes on the sails aft of the window which probably helps but I'll bet many ROs haven't realised...

Looking at the Aero page on the RS website, have the coloured flashes always been on the sails?  I can see the yellow flashes on some Aero 7 sails but not all, and no flashes on the Aero 9?
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I believe flashes have been on the sails for some time. Question is why it needs so many. Other classes are all predominantly used with one size of sail with allowance for a variety of cuts if its open sailmaking. With the aero it seems to need at least two sails to work in a Ďnormalí wind range for an Ďaverageí sailor. 
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I donít think there were on sails at the boats launch but the change happened with in the first few months . Certainly when my friend bought one about a year after the boat launch, his sails ( 7 and 9 ) had them on . For any that doesnít already know, 5 is blue, 7 is yellow and 9 is pink .
Tbh I find the same people that canít tell the difference between a Laser 4.7 and a Laser standard or the difference between the Aero 5/7/9 are the same people that CAN spot every different version of a N12 or Merlin rocket made since 1950 at a mile away .  LOL
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Originally posted by Grumpycat

I donít think there were on sails at the boats launch but the change happened with in the first few months . Certainly when my friend bought one about a year after the boat launch, his sails ( 7 and 9 ) had them on . For any that doesnít already know, 5 is blue, 7 is yellow and 9 is pink .
Tbh I find the same people that canít tell the difference between a Laser 4.7 and a Laser standard or the difference between the Aero 5/7/9 are the same people that CAN spot every different version of a N12 or Merlin rocket made since 1950 at a mile away .  LOL

Indeed this is the case  LOL


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Originally posted by davidyacht

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Originally posted by davidyacht

I can see problems for ROs identifying the titchy Aero 5, 6, 7 and 9 numbers to attribute the correct PY numbers, and there is scope for banditry at one off events, but if RS think that this will result in more participation, then it is probably a good thing.

The different size rigs have different coloured flashes on the sails aft of the window which probably helps but I'll bet many ROs haven't realised...

Looking at the Aero page on the RS website, have the coloured flashes always been on the sails?  I can see the yellow flashes on some Aero 7 sails but not all, and no flashes on the Aero 9?

The colour flashes on the three mainsails (light blue, yellow & pink) were introduced after the first season, in late 2015, to provide an easy quick glance solution to rig identification. New sails come with them painted on the rear of the window. For earlier used sails there was a (free) sticker option that could be easily added (distributed at events and easily posted).
That RS Aero 9 photo is from our first RS Aerocup at Barcelona in Oct 2015, pre colour flashers.


If a club RO gets RS Aeros joining his mixed fleet race for the first time he may not immediately understand that, if he is not familiar. He will then need to rely on the wording on the sail insignia which says exactly what it is e.g. 'RS Aero 7', which is simpler and clearer than most classes with logos or abbreviations. 
When we have a a large event with three fleets, like the UK Nationals with 138 boats this year, the 'quick glance' flashes are hugely valuable for both racers and the race team. 
At an RS Aero event, whether Class or PY racing, a RO only needs to note the sail number and not the rig size, as there will not be duplicated numbers.


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Originally posted by Woodman

I believe flashes have been on the sails for some time. Question is why it needs so many. Other classes are all predominantly used with one size of sail with allowance for a variety of cuts if its open sailmaking. With the aero it seems to need at least two sails to work in a Ďnormalí wind range for an Ďaverageí sailor. 

You could see what they were trying to do by copying the Laser model so one boat covers kids , small adults and normal sized people. 
But they just got the sail sizes wrong. The 5 is spot on , much better than a 4.7 so thatís the kids section of the market covered . The 7 is just too big for small adults and only just big enough for  normally sized people on inland water. And the 9 sail is just to big for the hull length of the boat.
So we now have the 6 which does fill the small adult spot. All they have to do now is sort out a proper full sized sail for normal sized adults , next stop in my view will be a 8.

As was said early , I am sure Pete Barton will be along at some time saying we are both talking Ď tosh Ď . Smile 
See I was nearly  right about that at least  LOL


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I agree with Pete Barton in so much as all the RO needs to record is sail numbers but that presupposes that sailors sign in for every race and, honestly, declare their sail size. At my home club we have Aero sailors who use two different sizes during a series and we only have to sign on once so it relies on the OOD to spot anomalies. On the single occasion I used my Fire sail in preference to the standard Blaze sail I was classified as a Blaze, that was despite signing on as a Fire as my sail number came up as a Blaze on the system and nobody noticed. On that occasion it was pretty irrelevant as I was sailing a smaller rig (and I am usually bottom half of the fleet) but ad I been sailing a Halo that day I would have had an unfair advantage. That said they usually notice if one of the more accomplished Laser sailors uses a different rig...

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