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Originally posted by Chris_H

Whichever EU numptie decided that new trailers should have a pole sticking out from the base each side, wobbling uncontrollably, so that the unnessarily extra wide trailer board can be tied to it, deserves to be shot. He/She clearly never towed a dinghy. Design-Fail.

So I do hope old style trailers are now fine.


Old style trailers are still fine in the uk .

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If you are now trailing in the EU you have conform to the latest regulations. We are a third country and no longer in the EU club . 
If your new trailer has a integrated lighting board you must use it under uk law. But to be honest no police service will stop you of you don’t , they are just happy you have a Lighting board of any kind  LOL


If you have an accident where say a car drives into the back of your boat whilst you are trailing and you had a new trailer with outriggers and were NOT using them I suspect (ahem...know) that the insurer will refuse the claim.
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I think that these rules have been around for a while, we have just chosen to ignore them.  I suspect that the UKCA rules for trailers are identical to CE, so the insurance issue may well crop up in the UK.  Ironically my experience of the light board arms is them falling off my trailer, much more dangerous than when these were not required 
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I imagine what the legislators had in mind was a full length trailer with the lighting permanently and solidly attached rather than the somewhat mickey mouse extension pieces that have been used to meet the letter of the regulation.
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Originally posted by JimC

I imagine what the legislators had in mind was a full length trailer with the lighting permanently and solidly attached rather than the somewhat mickey mouse extension pieces that have been used to meet the letter of the regulation.

Indeed. Because how on earth could this extension be called safe and an improvement on the old trailer?  - here is my Aero (now sold). The extensions bounce up and down like a yoyo, because the extensions are so long and unsupported at the back end. The front end sticks out and stabs you in the leg if you get too near. Completely dumb rule
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Originally posted by JimC

I imagine what the legislators had in mind was a full length trailer with the lighting permanently and solidly attached rather than the somewhat mickey mouse extension pieces that have been used to meet the letter of the regulation.

I bought my last new trailer six months before the new regs became law . In the process of buying it I had some long conversations with the owner of Sovereign trailers about this subject.  He been part of an industry group that discussed the regs with our government.
I got the impression the regs were really aimed at the construction and farming industries as that’s where most of the accidents with trailers had happened and that the extension option was picked so that dinghy trailer manufacturers didn’t have to go to the unnecessary expense of designing  full length trailers .
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So we are all agreed, it seems, that EU standard trailers are sh*te.  But far from Brexit/Brexsh*t releasing us from ridiculous EU regulations it seems we are plunged into having to comply with them instead.

Wonder if I could modify my road-base into EU legality by attaching the lightboard to the base with a couple of stoutish garden canes ...... should be as good as Chris H's "official" one.

I believe there are other regs though, concerning how much the mast may overhang the trailer.

And there is still the matter of export / import paperwork.

I ask again ... has anyone tried yet?


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I believe the idea is you extend arms to length of boat, then support light bar from back of boat, not leave it bouncing up and down.
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Originally posted by 423zero

I believe the idea is you extend arms to length of boat, then support light bar from back of boat, not leave it bouncing up and down.

As you can see from my photo, this is not possible. I can attach rear quarter ropes up to the Aero (maybe), but that doesnt stop it bouncing up, because it needs reciprocal ropes tying it down. Believe me, I have used up many brain cells trying to resolve the issue....
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Originally posted by Chris_H

Originally posted by 423zero

I believe the idea is you extend arms to length of boat, then support light bar from back of boat, not leave it bouncing up and down.

As you can see from my photo, this is not possible. I can attach rear quarter ropes up to the Aero (maybe), but that doesnt stop it bouncing up, because it needs reciprocal ropes tying it down. Believe me, I have used up many brain cells trying to resolve the issue....

On mine with a full length mast I chuck a length of timber across the transom to strap the mast too and then have 2 ropes going downwards towards the supports which has a 2:1 purchase to lever the bars up. If you generate enough tension upwards it won't bounce while driving along.   


I've also seen some peoples boards dragged across the floor because the bars are too low to the ground, by bending them upwards it solves that issue  


Whats to stop you if you had a trailer with the new setup on it removing the plaque and claiming the trailer is pre-regs? Here in the UK obviously. I've still not seen any actual quotes on what the rules are in the EU, at the moment it all just sounds like speculation. 


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https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/contents
Governments take on the laws, even this is ambiguous. Light board can be upto a maximum of one metre inboard from end of trailer/ furthest point aft  Smile
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