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Like all boats a lot tends to be based upon your references, having sailed and got over the learning hump on some tricky boats Iíd say the 200 is actually really quite docile and itís sensitivity is really more down to longitudinal trim.  As someone whoís possibly a little heavier than you thatís the problem Iíve found with mine is keeping weight forward especially if you are not hiking.

Itís summer, waters warm, stick with it and if things go wrong provided the crew doesnít worry itís not clear where the problem is.
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Originally posted by Neptune

Like all boats a lot tends to be based upon your references, having sailed and got over the learning hump on some tricky boats Iíd say the 200 is actually really quite docile and itís sensitivity is really more down to longitudinal trim.  As someone whoís possibly a little heavier than you thatís the problem Iíve found with mine is keeping weight forward especially if you are not hiking.

Itís summer, waters warm, stick with it and if things go wrong provided the crew doesnít worry itís not clear where the problem is.


Trim problems in a short boat with the heavier person at the back and the cockpit divided by a centre mainsheet.... Hardly specific to the 200 I think!


If anything, is the 200 too docile? A few rides in a 400 which gives more feedback might be good for learning? Or with the light crew, maybe consider one of the trap asy boats which are a little faster than the 200? Experiencing different boats is good, if you can do it without buying lots of boats better still!
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Originally posted by eric_c

If anything, is the 200 too docile?

Yes, but when I last sailed one it was a directly after some N12 sailing....
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N12......all that work for so little forward progress. Wink

Thought the 200 was based on a 12. Designed by 12 sailor and previous 12 designer. They have much in common.

......anyway, it's a horses for courses thing.


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According to the PY data the RS200 is the most popular two handed class in the country, so they must be doing something right.

It is a fairly lively boat, which AIUI is why it gained the skeg during development to make it a bit less twitchy, but its clearly not in the same league of difficulty as high performance boats.
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Originally posted by Neil&theSea

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A product from another time, when folk were conned into believing it's because they were bad sailors that a particular craft didn't work as it should. Happily that time has now past, thanks in part to the advent of people discussing things like this on the internet and refusing to be 'shamed' into believing they were not 'good enough' unless they spent every hour of every day practising, because this or that outrageously difficult craft needed very skilled handling.

Fact is, sailing in the elements, learning the vaguaries of the wind, shifts, tides, currents, interboat tactics, is difficult and enjoyable enough (if you get it right) without some badly designed, in some cases over canvassed, un stable nightmare adding to the problem and removing the joy of sailing in strong wind.

One day I think I'm going to compile a list of boats to avoid and you can trust me when I say the 200 will be right up there, my real problem however is finding any not to put on the list, every single one of them has its problems and you do need to put some effort in, to master any boats foibles. But some are more worth the effort than others. I wouldn't waste another hour on an RS200 unless you're set on class racing and have a very good crew.


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Are the 2000 and RS200 the same boat?
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very different. 2000 heavy solid underpowered good boat for novice and bandit in a blow.
RS200 Much lighter has massive following hence 120 boat nationals great team work boat.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 21 at 4:19pm
I note the people who consider the RS200 "really quite docile" are experienced sailors with N12, RS300 and Musrto Skiff in their recent history, all of which are generally accepted as 'difficult to sail"...

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