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    Posted: 13 Aug 21 at 6:21pm
My son (45kg) and I (85kg) are getting to grips with an old RS200 and making reasonable progress. However, Iím feeling that our learning is being slowed by the precision required and it would be helpful (or just relaxing) to have a more stable platform a couple of times a month. Son wants to helm on something more stable, but wonít sail if it doesnít have a spinnaker. Feva is too small, Iím six foot, trying to protect a slightly dodgy hip and am returning after about 15 years. Iíve sailed a Firefly, Hobbies, Lazers, a Feva & a 470. Iím toying with picking up either a Topaz Argo or a Lazer 2000. Any recommendations or thoughts? Yes we will end up racing the 200
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I'd suggest taking the RS200 to a coaching day, it's something the RS classes do very well.
2000s are more of a proper class than Argo, I think, there are probably more people racing them regularly. But I'm not sure a change of boat will help much unless it gives you boats of the same class to learn form?
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If you do change, go to the 2000. Argo is a nice training boat, butbthat is all. But the 200 is a lovely little boat, and as Eric says, make use of the Class Association to shorten the learning curve.
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Thanks both
Confirmed what I thought I was seeing
Was never going to get rid of the 200, when the kite and our weight are just right itís just great
Was kind of thinking of a back up boat
Am sorting out coaching now
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There is massive weight variation with the Laser 2k. The older ones are reputedly lighter by a very significant margin. The older ones are much sought after by the serious 2k racers I believe.

Since RS have taken the boat on I have no idea how they compare weight wise.

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There is massive weight variation with the Laser 2k. The older ones are reputedly lighter by a very significant margin. The older ones are much sought after by the serious 2k racers I believe.Since RS have taken the boat on I have no idea how they compare weight wise.


Only 3 old boats in the top ten this year.
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Who knows how much difference a lightweight boat makes? It clearly makes some difference. If I intended to race a class and lightweight ones were available, I'd be a bit daft not to try and find one.

Here's an old thread with more opinion:
https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9020

Several years ago 2k weighing at the club took place. I was there and witnessed a horrendous (by boat building standards) weight difference between several 2k's. It's no myth.

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Originally posted by eric_c

I'd suggest taking the RS200 to a coaching day, it's something the RS classes do very well.
2000s are more of a proper class than Argo, I think, there are probably more people racing them regularly. But I'm not sure a change of boat will help much unless it gives you boats of the same class to learn form?

Ha, I'd suggest taking the RS200 to a council landfill. Bloody ridiculous boat.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by eric_c

I'd suggest taking the RS200 to a coaching day, it's something the RS classes do very well.
2000s are more of a proper class than Argo, I think, there are probably more people racing them regularly. But I'm not sure a change of boat will help much unless it gives you boats of the same class to learn form?

Ha, I'd suggest taking the RS200 to a council landfill. Bloody ridiculous boat.


In my view, it's not a particularly great boat, however it provides good sport for those who race them against other RS200s and is a reasonable entry into the world of asy spinnakers.

As a class it has a considerable pool of talent, including some good people who are willing and able to share their knowledge. It's hard to find a better class in the >1000 PY asy category.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by eric_c

I'd suggest taking the RS200 to a coaching day, it's something the RS classes do very well.
2000s are more of a proper class than Argo, I think, there are probably more people racing them regularly. But I'm not sure a change of boat will help much unless it gives you boats of the same class to learn form?

Ha, I'd suggest taking the RS200 to a council landfill. Bloody ridiculous boat.
In my view, it's not a particularly great boat, however it provides good sport for those who race them against other RS200s and is a reasonable entry into the world of asy spinnakers.
As a class it has a considerable pool of talent, including some good people who are willing and able to share their knowledge. It's hard to find a better class in the >1000 PY asy category.


Well my experience is exactly the opposite, the last couple I knew bought one brand new.. they haven't sailed since, who the heck recommended it I've no idea, but having good people making it look benevolent in a world in which we need every new participant, is entirely counter productive, should take them all and lock them up as well..
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