Detuning a Penultimate International 14?

   PS: We did not find any serial number on the hull but one of the main sails shows sail number GBR 1272.

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skslr Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Posting king Joined: 24 Jul 06 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 136	Post Options Post Reply Quote skslr Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 13 Apr 21 at 12:24pm
	PS: We did not find any serial number on the hull but one of the main sails shows sail number GBR 1272.

JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6603	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 12 Apr 21 at 3:28pm
	Daggerboard rudders are good. I'd investigate whether the fixed blade can be converted into one. There's an article on making the stock on the UK Cherub web site. Its not too difficult a job. If you're going to run a smaller rig I'd forget all the rig adjustment stuff.

skslr Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Posting king Joined: 24 Jul 06 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 136	Post Options Post Reply Quote skslr Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 12 Apr 21 at 2:12pm
	Thanks to your encouraging words in this thread we actively searched for a Penultimate International 14, found an Ovington Howlett 1 B and bought it for too little money to complain about anything. As this is a "project" anyway, we accepted that it is not really ready to sail: Hull Some fine cracks in the gelcoat, but nothing severe in the high-stress areas. Transom has some strange little drain holes whithout any threads for plugs or whatsoever. We could easily lift it with two persons so it cannot be massively overweight, some day we will weigh it properly. Some GRP repairs have not been repainted but we could not care less. The non-slip is pink, even my daughter is not sure about this one. Anyway, the kids want a unicorn head to be drawn on the bow such that the kite pole is the "horn" :-) Rigg Alumnium twin spreader, mast foot is not on the cockpit floor, but on top of the reinforcement tubing between bow and chainplates. The original push rod at gooseneck height has been replaced with lowers. Boom Previous owner could not find it anymore. But we luckily found another int14 Boom for next to nothing. Daggerboard Made from wood, needs some glas + epoxi but hopefully no major root. To really now this we would need to sand off the white paint... The hull features a kind of cassette for the daggerboard that can be moved about 2 inches forward or backward by repositioning chocks. Rudder Only the blade itself of the fixed rudder was still there. The leading edge was severly damaged, the lower fitting was somehow ripped off, leading edge has been rotting away quite badly. We would like some kind of lifting rudder, but the distance between the fittings on the hull is quite a bit larger than on e.g. RS boats, so standard rudder stocks do not fit. Maybe we can rebuild the rudder blade and have some local shop build a bespoke rudder stock? Fittings Figuring out all the sytems for adjustable mast rake and so on will take a lot of time. Changing mast rake hardly makes any sense on our little gravel pit. Main sheet cleat is missing, the idea is to change to transom/off-boom sheeting anyway. If we can make the jib furler work again it will help launching etc when one of our kids is crewing. For the same reason I would like to lead at least the vang back to the helm, right now all the control lines are cleated at the shrouds. Sails All measured during the 90s... Jib and first main are still ok. The lower part of the second main is really worn out, so it would be a good candidate for cutting it down... The kite cloth is really, really soft :-) The Jib is so big that we will do a test with the mainsail of our RS Feva which will create the targeted sail area in total - of course this would move the center of effort way forward... Trolley Would propbably work ok for a light weight 12 foot boat, way to small for this one. Fixing this one is only second priority :-)

skslr Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Posting king Joined: 24 Jul 06 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 136	Post Options Post Reply Quote skslr Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 Mar 21 at 10:39am
	More like this one maybe: One Design, 14, 1989, Springfield, Missouri sailboat for sale (sailingtexas.com) Apparently there was a "Standard" rigg more 470ish and a "Grand Prix" rigg which may have met the int14 rules back then.

Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8955	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 21 at 8:56am

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Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8955	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 21 at 8:54am
	The Jet 14 from much earlier might be the boat you are thinking of.
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JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6603	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Mar 21 at 7:04pm
	There was an OD14 built in the US in late single string days as I recall (based on a Cross design 14), but I'm pretty confident it didn't have a 470 rig. Edited by JimC - 24 Mar 21 at 9:51pm

skslr Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Posting king Joined: 24 Jul 06 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 136	Post Options Post Reply Quote skslr Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Mar 21 at 4:24pm
	Apparently it has been done before, the internet says that int14 with 470 riggs were built in the U.S. as “one designs”... I guess for handicapping our club's race officer would simply take the current yardstick value for international 14s in Germany instead of getting tangled up in a discussion how much the "detuning" should increase the number... At least we got a separate value for int14s before 1995, which is the same value as an FD.

Sam.Spoons Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3361	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sam.Spoons Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Mar 21 at 12:03pm
	Bear in mind the PNs are not up to date...
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skslr Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Posting king Joined: 24 Jul 06 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 136	Post Options Post Reply Quote skslr Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Mar 21 at 9:36pm
	I was now able to download the .xls. Thank you!