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PS: We did not find any serial number on the hull but one of the main sails shows sail number GBR 1272.
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Daggerboard rudders are good. I'd investigate whether the fixed blade can be converted into one. There's an article on making the stock on the UK Cherub web site. Its not too difficult a job.
If you're going to run a smaller rig I'd forget all the rig adjustment stuff.
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Thanks to your encouraging words in this thread we actively searched for a Penultimate International 14, found an Ovington Howlett 1 B and bought it for too little money to complain about anything.

As this is a "project" anyway, we accepted that it is not really ready to sail:

Hull

Some fine cracks in the gelcoat, but nothing severe in the high-stress areas. Transom has some strange little drain holes whithout any threads for plugs or whatsoever.
We could easily lift it with two persons so it cannot be massively overweight, some day we will weigh it properly. Some GRP repairs have not been repainted but we could not care less. The non-slip is pink, even my daughter is not sure about this one.
Anyway, the kids want a unicorn head to be drawn on the bow such that the kite pole is the "horn" :-)

Rigg

Alumnium twin spreader, mast foot is not on the cockpit floor, but on top of the reinforcement tubing between bow and chainplates. 
The original push rod at gooseneck height has been replaced with lowers.

Boom

Previous owner could not find it anymore. But we luckily found another int14 Boom for next to nothing.

Daggerboard

Made from wood, needs some glas + epoxi but hopefully no major root. To really now this we would need to sand off the white paint...
The hull features a kind of cassette for the daggerboard that can be moved about 2 inches forward or backward by repositioning chocks.


Rudder

Only the blade itself of the fixed rudder was still there. The leading edge was severly damaged, the lower fitting was somehow ripped off, leading edge has been rotting away quite badly.
We would like some kind of lifting rudder, but the distance between the fittings on the hull is quite a bit larger than on e.g. RS boats, so standard rudder stocks do not fit.
Maybe we can rebuild the rudder blade and have some local shop build a bespoke rudder stock?

Fittings

Figuring out all the sytems for adjustable mast rake and so on will take a lot of time. Changing mast rake hardly makes any sense on our little gravel pit. Main sheet cleat is missing, the idea is to change to transom/off-boom sheeting anyway.
If we can make the jib furler work again it will help launching etc when one of our kids is crewing. For the same reason I would like to lead at least the vang back to the helm, right now all the control lines are cleated at the shrouds.

Sails

All measured during the 90s...
Jib and first main are still ok. The lower part of the second main is really worn out, so it would be a good candidate for cutting it down...
The kite cloth is really, really soft :-)

The Jib is so big that we will do a test with the mainsail of our RS Feva which will create the targeted sail area in total - of course this would move the center of effort way forward...

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Would propbably work ok for a light weight 12 foot boat, way to small for this one. Fixing this one is only second priority :-)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote skslr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Mar 21 at 10:39am
More like this one maybe:


Apparently there was a "Standard" rigg more 470ish and a "Grand Prix" rigg which may have met the int14 rules back then.
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The Jet 14 from much earlier might be the boat you are thinking of.
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There was an OD14 built in the US in late single string days as I recall (based on a Cross design 14), but I'm pretty confident it didn't have a 470 rig.



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Apparently it has been done before, the internet says that int14 with 470 riggs were built in the U.S. as “one designs”...

I guess for handicapping our club's race officer would simply take the current yardstick value for international 14s in Germany instead of getting tangled up in a discussion how much the "detuning" should increase the number...

At least we got a separate value for int14s before 1995, which is the same value as an FD.


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Thumbs Up Bear in mind the PNs are not up to date...
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I was now able to download the .xls. Thank you!
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