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Originally posted by ClubRacer

I just hope this means the prices can be kept down as at the moment £13,500 for a new 200 is a joke

A new National 12 is less and in my experience, more of an enjoyable sail. The boats are much more individual too.

Merlins north of £25k is is significant investment though.
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When you compare the standard of fitting out (and therefore cost) of a dinghy today compared to the 70s, you can see where a not insignificant wodge of the money comes from.
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Something like a Bahia is half the price of a 200,cost must be production of Hull.
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Originally posted by Rupert

When you compare the standard of fitting out (and therefore cost) of a dinghy today compared to the 70s, you can see where a not insignificant wodge of the money comes from.


Can you?

Shouldda gone to Specsavers.

I'm with ClubRacer thirteen and a half grand for that hunk of junk is outrageous.

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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

There was a post on the Solo FB group last November that Boatyard @ Beer Ltd was going into liquidation, maybe that's why RS need a new builder for 200s?

Boatbuilding is a pretty hands on process and even plastic boats require a certain skill level. Modern FRP boats are a far cry from CSM 'bucket and chuck it' construction of old. The guys with the necessary skills, quite reasonably, want to earn a living wage

Boatyard @Beer is definitely no more . But Kevin is still in the boat repair business, I saw a post on the Streaker fb page of his new workshop . 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 21 at 8:44pm
Well that explains why they needed a new builder then. I'm still puzzled about the partnership/collaboration part though, I don't recall RS making announcements like that about previous sub contractors.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ClubRacer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 21 at 9:51pm
I think a lot of the price has to do with RS mark ups than boat manufacturing costs. 

IIRC back in 2011 RS proposed changing from their mylar material stuff they used on the 400 sails to a laminate because the material was becoming harder to get hold of. By moving to a laminate it meant they could keep the prices down (pretty sure this were their words in a newsletter I received). The mylars were £650 and went to £600 once they changed over to the laminate. The current prices of the laminate is £949

Part of this may be due to brexit as I'm unsure what the costs were pre-brexit. But even then, more than a 50% price increase over 10 years is ridiculous. For comparison the last jib I bought in 2016 was £420 and they are now £600, near 50% increase in just 4 and a half years. Kite in 2011 £520, 2021 £669

Topper sails are also made by Hyde (I think? looking at their website.) and a 4.2m sail which is comparable size to a 400 Jib is £215 


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Originally posted by davidyacht

Forty or so years ago Spud Rowsell said that a new Merlin cost the same as a Mini.  Current base price of a Mini is around £ 15k, so £ 13,500 doesn't seem far off the mark.  

I guess that Kevin wasn't seeing much of that £ 13,500 and I hope for Ginger Boats that they can weather any storms that RS may encounter.

As an observer of the marine industry, it tends to be the marketeers that survive the ups and downs, not the boatbuilders.

Where can I get a brand new Merlin for £15k now?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote davidyacht Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Feb 21 at 11:52am
Fair point ... got a bit divergent when JT raised the bar!

However I think classes like RS200 and RS400 may be where the 12s and Merlinís were in the 70ís and early 80ís.

The real issue for classes based on production runs is that as the numbers slow a lot of the fixed costs have to be amortised across fewer boats, which squeezes the builder if the marketeer is not prepared to give up any margin, particularly when the sales evaporate as a result of a pandemic 
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Originally posted by Grumpycat

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

There was a post on the Solo FB group last November that Boatyard @ Beer Ltd was going into liquidation, maybe that's why RS need a new builder for 200s?

Boatbuilding is a pretty hands on process and even plastic boats require a certain skill level. Modern FRP boats are a far cry from CSM 'bucket and chuck it' construction of old. The guys with the necessary skills, quite reasonably, want to earn a living wage

Boatyard @Beer is definitely no more . But Kevin is still in the boat repair business, I saw a post on the Streaker fb page of his new workshop . 

He is building the Streaker as well I believe, based on the Rooster moulds.
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