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    Posted: 21 Mar 21 at 7:05pm
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RS costs seem to be aligned with everything else in life - I bought a new Kestrel from richard hartley, when he first started making boats in 1999, they were intentionally good value (he wasnt making much out of them - just getting some boats out there), 4999 all in inc combi, covers etc. Having just checked the Hartley website, the same spec now would be close to 16k



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If you are not happy with the price don't buy it. If you think any one is getting rich off making or selling dinghy's your sadly mistaken. I here people complain about boat devaluement but are more than happy to buy a new car and lose a lot more money on it than there boat even cost. We have lost a good few boat builders through covid, because the reality is that boats are too cheap for a custom hand built product.

I am hoping you intended quoting someone else!  I never said I wasn't happy with the price, not that I am buying. 


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Originally posted by sawman

RS costs seem to be aligned with everything else in life - I bought a new Kestrel from richard hartley, when he first started making boats in 1999, they were intentionally good value (he wasnt making much out of them - just getting some boats out there), 4999 all in inc combi, covers etc. Having just checked the Hartley website, the same spec now would be close to 16k



a mid range VW Golf in closing in on 30k these days

How do you put shoe's on your feet ? 
If you are not happy with the price don't buy it. If you think any one is getting rich off making or selling dinghy's your sadly mistaken. I here people complain about boat devaluement but are more than happy to buy a new car and lose a lot more money on it than there boat even cost. We have lost a good few boat builders through covid, because the reality is that boats are too cheap for a custom hand built product.
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RS costs seem to be aligned with everything else in life - I bought a new Kestrel from richard hartley, when he first started making boats in 1999, they were intentionally good value (he wasnt making much out of them - just getting some boats out there), 4999 all in inc combi, covers etc. Having just checked the Hartley website, the same spec now would be close to 16k



a mid range VW Golf in closing in on 30k these days


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I'll bet that 1996 4,450 didn't include anything except the basic boat and sails either.  I've never bought a new boat (or car) in my life, but I did have a secondhand RS400 for over a decade, which retained well over half of the 4.5k I had paid for it in 2002 when I sold it on.  The RS model of reasonably overbuilt hulls with a long life, good marketing, funded events and association provided the lowest cost per annum sailing I've ever had, plus big fleets with the likes of Nick Craig and Roger Gilbert at the front of them.  That's why they are still in business when the opposition have crashed and burned.  Possibly explains some of the costs that go into a new 200 ... but I'd never buy a new one!
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Yep fair point. You will also need a car to tow it, boat park space to store it, wetsuit to stay warm, cash to buy the crew a hot Bovril. I think we should just stick to the cost of the thing floating in the water,

Which ever way you want to look at it, but when you leave the show room you'll have coughed up 13500~ or just under if you want to source your own trailer. Those bits you've decided are "irrelevant" will still need to be bought from somewhere. You can't just write the cost of it off because its convenient for your argument

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No technology? Lots of technology, just not cutting edge. And boat building is a real job, and boat builders need paying. And companies need to stay in business, so they can still be building the boats in another 10 years, which keeps second hand values healthy.

But no, I won't be spending 13 (or 11) grand on a small boat. Therefore I buy pre-owned. Usually many times pre-owned.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Fatboi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 21 at 4:36pm
11,550 for the boat but I think we will all agree that you need a launching trolley and top cover even if nothing else, so 12,328 to sail at one club or 13,417 if you want to do any opens (added road base and under cover).

Still a monumental amount of money for a 200, which has no technology and has hardly moved on in development.
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True but you also then have to compare it to something. I can see people buying a new boat without a road base but not without a cover or trolly though...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote George Solas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 21 at 12:10pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Originally posted by George Solas

Originally posted by ClubRacer

 
I just hope this means the prices can be kept down as at the moment 13,500 for a new 200 is a joke

I agree 13.5k is a joke especially when the price is 11.6k

Sorry to fact check you but I think 2021 marks the return to actual facts now the Wotsit In Chief no longer runs the free world...

That is the, so called, 'ready to sail' package, If you actually want to sail it anywhere (and store it outdoors) you'll need a cover and a combi trailer as a minimum which takes the price up to 13.2k

Yep fair point. You will also need a car to tow it, boat park space to store it, wetsuit to stay warm, cash to buy the crew a hot Bovril. I think we should just stick to the cost of the thing floating in the water,
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Comparing apples to apples, should be comparing "Ready to Sail". Extras on top such as trailers, covers etc are variable, and not everyone needs or wants a trailer or trolley.
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