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    Posted: 20 Dec 20 at 8:09pm
Does anyone know the cost of a sail juice type tracker. Considering COVID and generally filling duties how economical is it to run club racing using some form of tracker. 
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sounds a lot of work for the poor b**tard who has to manage it.

In my opinion the easiest way to run racing without any RO is to have a designated boat to give a warning signal and prep and then everyone takes there own times/laps. This would be a 10 minute job for the results person to sort at the end of the day 
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Originally posted by ClubRacer

sounds a lot of work for the poor b**tard who has to manage it.

In my opinion the easiest way to run racing without any RO is to have a designated boat to give a warning signal and prep and then everyone takes there own times/laps. This would be a 10 minute job for the results person to sort at the end of the day 
I appreciate there are ‘manual’ ways of running races but surely the technology exist that each sailor cares a bit it tech, it tells them when to start, records the race and when ashore uploads and produces the results. Clearly a good part of the technology already exists. 
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Sailjuice don't use the trackers for results because there isn't a reliable way of doing it




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There are phone apps. Not used them. It does feel like every sport has progressed in terms of timing & results except sailing! 20cm can matter. The resolution of a good GPS signal is 3m. That's a boat length... Not saying that it can't be addressed in the SIs - but someone will moan.

Dunno how reliable self timing will be - if people CBA to do a PRO, will they bother to time and write the result down somewhere?

Likewise what do you do if an app fails?
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Video and trust in your competitors honesty would work, start the recording to coincide with length of race, looking at start/finish line.
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I've recorded results from a finish line video. It was an amazingly long winded process. You'd think it would take no longer than real time, but somehow I ended up doing any amount of stopping, restarting, rewinding and fiddling about and it took ages. There was a good sized entry and an indifferent hand held phone video though, with a smaller entry and a decent tripod video it ought not to be quite so hard. Even more disturbing were the number of discrepancies between paper record on the finish boat and the video evidence.
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Originally posted by ClubRacer

Sailjuice don't use the trackers for results because there isn't a reliable way of doing it



Yes the trackers are used in the results process.

We take the tracker recorded finish time and lap count,  then compare with the physical scoring sheets.

Having processed many hundred of races in this manner,   I have often seen a big difference in times recorded by different spotters even if they are on the same boat,  ie human error

Trackers have also helped resolve scoring queries and often submitted as evidence by the sailor,  showing how many laps a boat has completed and finishing position  
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Good to hear. I can't imagine how much setup is required to have that running accurately. 

But could you run the event without the use of manual times? Even if everyone took their tracker afloat (I'm guilty of this!)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Simon Lovesey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Dec 20 at 9:34am
Originally posted by ClubRacer

Good to hear. I can't imagine how much setup is required to have that running accurately. 

Easy -  online entry list allocates tracker, and start number if split starts -  then you get a report showing finish times and lap count.  

The course needs to be defined within the tracking system so it can work out lap times,  lap counts and finish times etc.  Trackers can be placed on the buoys (if laid),  or  for a growing number of venues we have a database on fixed buoys.  The course can also be pinged using an App.  

Originally posted by ClubRacer

But could you run the event without the use of manual times? Even if everyone took their tracker afloat (I'm guilty of this!)

Yes the biggest challenge is people leaving tracker in changing room,  but this is getting better as sailors realise the benefit/importance of carry their tracker afloat.

You could run without manual recording sheets,  but like all methods best to have multiple sources of data.  As suggested you could use a video camera,  which could be automated

One of the benefits of using tracking is the scoring can be done remotely,  I have done this for many events around the world whilst sitting at home.   
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