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David have you ever used a cumulus? 

I ask as I thought exactly the same as you, I had a new winder 2, D+ etc etc and sold it as its was second boat and replaced it with a much older mk1 which i've restored from a bit of a wreck. If anything I think the  2000AD Mk1/Cumulus/Milanes foils is faster. Its feels much, much smoother. And I wasn't slow in the mk2.


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Yes, had two Winder 1 Solos with Cumulus (side weld) and Milanes board, and a selection of North SM8 and Hunt sails.  Bearing in mind we are discussing pretty small differences in a one design class, here are some thoughts.

I now sail a Winder 2, I think it is marginally easier to sail than a Winder 1.  With more rocker it is easier to tack.  The Winder 1 seems to plane marginally earlier.  

The Cumulus is probably as good if not better than the D+ rig in F0 - F3.  It is stiffer and is good for heavyweights.  The set up is quite different as it doesn’t respond to sailing with the traveller down in the same way as the D+ rig, so one tends to sail with a bit more twist.  My reservation about the Cumulus is that because it is so stiff fore and aft I reached a point (I am 83kg) where it seemed impossible to de power and it had poor gust response.  

Also the side weld Cumulus required a different cut sail, then to go this route is to carve a lonely furrow.

However if you are heavier, and sail on sheltered flat water the Cumulus might have more going for it in my opinion.

I have no idea how the more recent front taper Cumulus masts perform.
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Interesting...........

Mine is a side tapered mast, possibly original to the boat.

I'm a bit heavier (certainly post lockdown!), and I am sailing on sheltered flat water. I put a lot of the different "feel" of the boat down to the board. The other thing that stuck enemy mind was that a "stiff" cumulus is almost as stiff as an Alto according to some GP and Fireball sailors so I wondered if a "soft" one might be about the same as a D+, though on paper the numbers are the same. 

Downgrading the boat was a real sticking point and I wasn't keen on doing it, but apart from the smoother feel I haven't noticed a significant difference - though it must be pointed out that i've yet to race it properly. 


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Post Options Post Options   Quote davidyacht Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 20 at 9:58am
As if a bar chat ... I would suggest that you probably tick some of the boxes as to why the Cumulus would be a good mast for you.  I had a Milanes “flexi tip” centreboard which seemed quite special on three boats back ... I should have kept it!
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