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Post Options Post Options   Quote H2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 20 at 8:35am
Originally posted by 423zero

This would fit in the British Olympics, alongside, Cheese rolling and Shin kicking etc.

Hey - I live within sight of the cheese rolling hill  Tongue Tongue
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 20 at 9:16am
Would like to see it live, have seen it on TV an YouTube. Picture this two boats tower trapezing crashing head on, human conkers
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 20 at 10:29am
Originally posted by Rupert

. The athletics don't chop and change, saying that the 100m is out of date.

I remember the 100 yards event. And how the first 4minute mile was a really big thing, but now the event is rarely run.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 20 at 10:34am
Only 'cos we've gone metric (bl00dy EU.....), now it's 100m and 1500m  Big smile
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jack Sparrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 20 at 12:28pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Rupert

. The athletics don't chop and change, saying that the 100m is out of date.

I remember the 100 yards event. And how the first 4minute mile was a really big thing, but now the event is rarely run.

Umm... the 'Emsley Carr Mile' is run ever year and has been since 1953. And is a rather prestigious race.

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100 yards never in the Olympics, except in 1904 decathlon, apparently! Good old Google...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote CT249 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Mar 20 at 12:43am
Does tower trapezing look spectacular to Olympic viewers, or does it just look a bit weird and rather dull?  What afficionadoes think can be very different to what normal people think.

When boats like the Contender were being developed, there was very little in the way of small singlehanded sailing craft that was faster.  Singlehanded cats were quite rare, perhaps because early cats had tacking issues and therefore designers tended to put jibs on them.  The A class as we know it came to being pretty much around the same time as the Contender, but were arguably more of a leap into the unknown.  As we all know there was also the IC, but that was a very small and low-profile class, which says something in itself about the priorities of dinghy sailing in its boomtime.

In contrast, today there are highly developed cats, foiling cats, kites and boards that are all arguably normally as fast or faster than any dinghy - perhaps even Moths.  So the dinghy is no longer, perhaps, the leading edge of sailing craft on water. Given that, trying to make the fastest dinghy may no longer be all that logical. If you want to go really fast in a small sailing craft then the kitefoiler may be the logical way to go, and even the Moth an also-ran.  So once you are giving up on the dream of leading-edge performance, it just makes sense to concentrate on the other qualities that dinghies do so well, like being fun in light winds and practical.  Chasing extremes like tower trapezing doesn't fit into that paradigm.


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A class cats (singlehanded no job ) fast tacking , faster than contender 1956 .first appeared 

Unicorn a class cat 1967 , contender 1967 . First appeared 

Just saying ! Iíve had two contenders 2 unicorns and 1 or arguably 3 A class as unicorn is an A 


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I don't think the 1956 cats were fast tacking at all, from what I can find - and I have done a fair amount of research. 

Yes, the Unicorn, Australis and others appeared in around 1967, but they seem to have been a very rapid and major leap forward from B-Lions and other earlier As.  A couple of years before that, Elvstrom had already shown raced the Trapez and David Thomas had raced the Unit.  I'm pretty damn sure that the pre-1967 cats were generally cruder and less evolved in many ways than the pre-1967 monos that people were familiar with. 

The point was that in 1967, many people were familiar with fairly well evolved monos but there were far fewer well evolved cats. A few As, a tiny number of Cs and some Bs were well on the way to becoming fantastic boats but they were a tiny minority. Some guys I knew who had Cs at that time (ie Crowther and Haines) spoke of them as being very undeveloped although a couple of them were better.

My father was an early cat sailor. If the boat he sailed wasn't a poor tacker (according to its very successful designer, Cunningham) he may have lived a lot longer, so the tacking of early cats is something I'm very aware of.  And I've been a clubmate of Steve Brewin and Andrew Landenberger who has you know have won more than one A worlds, but the fact is that while the As are wondrous creations they do tack slower than most monos.  Last season when Landy Jnr and Snr raced with us on our small inland lake, we had to give them a 16% yardstick reduction to make them competitive with the Lasers and Tasars and much of that was because they cannot tack as fast despite having world titles and an Olympic medal.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote catmandoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 20 at 10:17am
Was only pointing out there were plenty of solo sailing craft ( cats ) sailing fast and faster than contender when developed .

Iíve raced cats for over 30 years and monos even longer . Itís a pointless exercise racing cats against monos , too disparate in performance , never mind tacking , mark rounding speeds huge difference and in average lap racing cats can complete , double or more mark roundings . Also I tend to start slightly late when I have misfortune to race against monos , I could cause carnage and stuff them all at start , but the futility of monos vs cat racing , makes this aggressive starting over the top .

In Scotland the RYA run a champion of champions sailed in own boats , they adjust pys for wind , penalising cats when windy and only time they can win , your handicappers at least have a more reasonable approach .  But really no point in racing cats against monos .


You should try my cat for tacking I  roll tack ( in fact most do so windward hull is raised on completion of tack for faster acceleration ) , but it tacks on a sixpence , flat bottom ,lots of rocker , no lateral resistance fore or aft of centreboards .


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