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Originally posted by Neptune

Farr 3.7, foiling rudder to trick the water line length and then a self tacking jib (and won’t require much mods, but rig efficiency should be way better.

Yep to the T Foil. I've suggested that to iGRF. The hull form isn't best suited to it but that could also be said of T Foils giving good performance gain to older N12's.

Jibs have been put on Farr 3.7's and it works. But deep off wind will still be a struggle which is where the PY hands it to iGRF.

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I'm not actually sure this is a Farr 3.7... but...

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Quite honestly if iGRF wants to be a kick arse bandit in the light suff with minimum hassle, a Symmetrical Kite would probably be best, if he rigs an elastic tiller strop to centre the rudder to do the pole swap. He can steer well with his weight being a windsurfer after all.




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In order for my Farr to be a 'kick arse bandit it would need a handicap around that of a Streaker, put a kite on it then maybe 15% less.
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Originally posted by tink

iGRF I am sure people have suggested it before but what not just by a Laser and enjoy some class racing.
There was a boat in the 1980s with an unstayed mast and a trapeze. Had something plus in the name. Plenty of old lasers about, old ten meter windsurfing rig and stay it like Herrreshoff/UFO 


Maybe the Delta? Very big fat mast. Maybe modern masts could be smaller.
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"Might as well get a L3k"

Or even a V3000, lighter than L3000 and sailable as is singlehanded in light. No need to mangle or modify and a straightforward resale when needed.
 
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Ha.... you are all forgetting that there are other criteria high on the I-Grf list of 'must haves'. The boat (whichever boat this is) must deliver all the sizzle of satisfaction immediately, without any time being wasted learning curve which means it must be achievable from day one. And if that is not enough, you have the practical issue of sailing off a beach which I will admit can be a tricky prospect - like a space launch it's difficult going but the real issues arise when you want to come back. There is the RS 600 - but he will not consider that as he'd been told that they were unsailable (the same argument he used to denigrate the Musto) and the V3000...  as has already been said, at least you can move these on if they don't 'float his boat'. But Graeme is determined to do things his way, which has to be good, as without that mindset sailing would be a lot further back and all the poorer, but the idea that one can just add a wire to a rig and make it into a performance boat is...well.... interesting  - and there are historical examples of it going badly wrong, as when the Phantoms dabbled with the addition of a trapeze! There is a lot of thought and a good deal of theoretical science that goes into any design, which is why the likes of Dan Holman and others are so sought after. But I am sure that this is a sailing saga that will run and run, let's await the next instalment with interest!
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Re-reading this thread I think iGRF's real issue is with the punitive yardstick the Farr 3.7 has been given. So even though testing out a bigger fat head main on the Farr is the most logical choice I still think he has the feeling that it won't be competitive on the number it has. I think the same thinking is present for the idea of adding an Asymmetric. Which is catered for in the 3.7's rules. (I wouldn't agree with this thinking, but its not my money being spent). So if you apply that logic an RS600, RS700 or Musto isn't going to cut it as the yardstick is fairly neutral. So unless iGRF is so seriously underweight for the boat when he sails it in light weather, and it floats so high the wetted surface is so reduced it out performs its yardstick, I'm not sure he will consider it? iGRF, am I wrong?
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In my thirst for sailing perfection I've had the following:

Musto Skiff (readily now admit this might have been a bit of an error to use to teach myself dinghy sailing)
Laser 3K (SWMBO said why not take our fourth daughter out to learn with, collision with Dr Death put paid to that.)
RS500 (Not a particularly nice boat)
ALTO ( best part of my sailing period until death of my dear friend & crew from cancer)
ICON (demo loan boat really great boat screwed by the PYAG)
Blaze (Didn't last long in face of RS100 on horizon)
RS100 (Didn't work out decided to build my own, if you fall out very difficult to get back in unaided)
V Twin ( Fun but way way way too heavy and impossible to right if ever it went over)
Laser EPS (Just sold it, was a fun boat but a little difficult in stronger wind, introduced me to close quarters on lake)
MiniSail ( bought it for a laugh as a lake bandit still got it)
Solution (Still got it,excellent boat use it down the lake can race it now in almost every wind condition)
Solo (bought and sold fairly quickly, not quite old enough yet)
Far 3.7 (Still got it, fun boat but needs a lot of wind, only really gets into its groove above force 4)

This winter made a spirited attempt at acquiring a Contender but fate has decided it's not to be so have temporarily re acquired my old Blaze for this seasons sub force 4 moments

So that is the saga in brief, there's more to come I'm pleased to say and how we can't get more folk to enjoy this sport is beyond me, then again there are ten million or so Sun Readers that probably can't swim, so what's your story?
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Re-reading this thread I think iGRF's real issue is with the punitive yardstick the Farr 3.7 has been given. So even though testing out a bigger fat head main on the Farr is the most logical choice I still think he has the feeling that it won't be competitive on the number it has. I think the same thinking is present for the idea of adding an Asymmetric. Which is catered for in the 3.7's rules. (I wouldn't agree with this thinking, but its not my money being spent). So if you apply that logic an RS600, RS700 or Musto isn't going to cut it as the yardstick is fairly neutral. So unless iGRF is so seriously underweight for the boat when he sails it in light weather, and it floats so high the wetted surface is so reduced it out performs its yardstick, I'm not sure he will consider it? iGRF, am I wrong?


Post crossed, are you wrong? You're a dinghy sailor so yes of course you are ;-)

I'm not that bothered by the Yardstick as much as I love the occasional wind up, years of racing boards with no handicap means it's over the water honours I like to chase and there is a big disparity between my ability to get the Farr around the course and just about all the other boats racing, I don't even mind coming DFL if I've enjoyed it, I'm long past the point where my ego demands line honours, you'll find once your over your mid sixties egos vanish. That said I still like to improve and did last season, found my groove, it even felt like a raceboard, but it's still only just ahead of my peers in their lasers, not even close to the Contenders and whupped by a good Laser sailor and Aero 7 which is still a bone of contention. I'm not underweight, I suspect the sail I had is undersize, I'll know this once I get the new rag up, the performance improved with that cut down Vortex sail, but that was a crap sail anyway (It's previous owner had exchanged it for lack of performance)

What I really need to do is sail alongside somebody good on the Farr to get some perspective that would expose all my flaws, which would then give me peace of mind, that it is me at fault, but right now, it's the boat like always
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