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    Posted: 12 Jun 20 at 7:58pm
Yes, needs to be to relevant British Olympic impact standard, Hay won't cut it.
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Is the straw organiser supplied? Poor quality straw could cause shin bruising issues?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 20 at 5:52pm
There are safety measures in place for 'Shin kicking' you are allowed to stuff your trousers with straw
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 20 at 5:26pm
Originally posted by 423zero

Makes you wonder how organisers of 'British Olympics' get on, cheese rolling got to be one of UK's most dangerous sports, shin kicking another dangerous sport (would this be a martial sport ?), not forgetting 'Shrove football'.


Risk assessments and stick to them. I guess if someone hurts their shin shin kicking that's ok. If the ring collapses (I gave no idea if they have one) then that isn't.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 20 at 3:36pm
Makes you wonder how organisers of 'British Olympics' get on, cheese rolling got to be one of UK's most dangerous sports, shin kicking another dangerous sport (would this be a martial sport ?), not forgetting 'Shrove football'.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Brass Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 20 at 12:32pm
Robert,

Thank you for the reference.  This is evidently an increasingly complex and arcane area of UK law.

I don't really think it advances the discussion we are having.  Its main thrust appears to be that volunteers should be sheltered from tort liability just because they are volunteers performing a 'desirable activity'.  This flies in the face of the actual development of negligence law which during, say the period 1970 to 2010 emerged, among other things, as a counter to downright carelessness and incomptence by volunteer and other activity organisers, encouraged by right wing governments as a substitute for effective regulation.

As I and others have said:  do your risk assessment conscientiously as recommended by the RYA, implement appropriate measures, ignoring the various doomsayers and get on with it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote NicolaJayne Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 20 at 11:26am
The fundamental problem  with this is  because of the  negligence and poor standards of training  that  abound in the voluntary  sector where people with inadequate training  are given the power to make life and death decisions. 

this all ties with the stuff aobut the levle of competence of the ordinary person professing to hold a special skill... 

obvious example applicable to  'club duties' in sailing would be  operating a powered rescue boat   without requiring any boat handling tests or that people demonstrate a level of skill 

i've never held a Safety boat  certificate, yet  as a  late teen i was often asked to crew safety boats for open meetings and  the like at  the club my  family  were members of... 

however when push comes to shove , i'm sure that  in terms of ' what training  had she recieved'  coming up that  the club  would have no problem in stating that i had been assessed  by a principal instructor of an RTE  (who shared the water and introduced me to sailing) , who was also a Club Officer ...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 20 at 11:04am
This is latest thinking regarding volunteer liability in sport.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Brass Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 20 at 10:00am
Disclaimers


Which bit of the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977 s 2.1 do you not understand?

Negligence liability.
(1) A person cannot by reference to any contract term or to a notice given to persons generally or to particular persons exclude or restrict his liability for death or personal injury resulting from negligence.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 20 at 9:27am
Brass, I don't intend to interfere with anyone who wants to go sailing, all my posts are suggestions, BUT, this 'entitled' attitude will eventually be suppressed by legislation, no way to stop it.
Include disclaimers in signing on sheet, publish weather conditions, make sure junior sailors parent/guardian has signed.
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