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    Posted: 01 Jan 20 at 10:41am
Hi, all

I am currently a laser sailor but looking to move into something a bit larger as I am on the larger side and find getting under the boom and the very small cockpit are a bit challenging, I do however like the look of the Europe. I would welcome any opinions on the boat and any suggestions for other boats. I am 5ft 10" and weigh c.92kg

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The Europe is aimed at similar size people to the Laser Radial so you are too big. The Europe also has a fairly shallow cockpit and low boom so not really helping your situation.

I suggest you look at OKs
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Thank you very much, but I was aiming for a dinghy along a more open cockpit plan as the cockpit idea in general is a bit of a turn off for me I also need to make sure the boat is reasonably cheap and I thought OK's were a little expensive? I also had a look at boats like the contender as I am not opposed to trapezing but they were also a bit expensive. Have you any ideas that might fit with that description?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jan 20 at 1:22pm
You are Phantom sized but I don't know how much you would have to pay to get a sound one good to go. 

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The Europe is a nice little boat, but definitely not for folk on the larger side. I don't know that good recent boats of any class are particularly cheaper than another, after all they all cost much the same to build if they are of the same materials. I'm not sure the low boom of the OK is especially helpful in this context. The Phantom is an obvious choice for sailors who want a bit more room in the boat. Pre foam sandwich/carbon spar ones are cheap, but also not very competitive.
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Give the OK a try as youíre a good size for them. While the boom looks low thereís tons of room under it in reality and far more than a Laser. The deep cockpit and popping the mainsheet off an armful when tacking help create more space. If youíre near the south coast the class demo boat is at Stokes Bay if you want to try it. Have a look at https://www.okdinghy.co.uk/classifieds/ thereís boats there from a few hundred upwards
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Take a look at the Supernova.
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I've moved from a Laser to Europe in the last year, and love it.

I'm 5ft10 and was 95kg, but used it as motivation to shed some pounds and I'm now 80-5kg.

Above 85kg I'd say you will struggle to tack without getting water in over the back corner, but you'll still have a lot of fun.

The boom is low, but you don't have kicker on upwind so as long as you ease the main it pops up in the tack. It's all about the timing.

My main reason for swapping was the Laser just took too much toll on a dodgy shoulder and elbow, but the health benefits of losing weight and getting fit have made it a total life changer, plus it is a fabulous boat to sail.

The open meetings are fun as it's a really diverse fleet (at nationals 50% were under 40, and 40% were female).

My boat is reasonably competitive (I'm the weak link) and cost less the £1,500.

If you don't fancy the weight loss, I'd recommend the OK. As others have said, the cockpit is so deep that there is loads of headroom.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jan 20 at 5:05pm
Another +1 for the OK here but definitely consider a Phantom or, if you sail on open water, a Blaze too. All there will carry weight well, Blaze is best if it has room to stretch it's legs, Phantom and OK are good all rounders and both cope with restricted waters better than the Blaze (though I sail my Blaze inland as well as on the sea). For a decent club level competitive boat a Blaze or Phantom probably starts at around £1500 not sure about OKs.

I agree with Gareth T that the Europe is a gorgeous boat and lovely to sail but, if you hope to be competitive you'll definitely need a stiff mast and the right sail* (same with an OK TBF but suitable rigs are more plentiful). When I was considering a Europe rigs for heavyweights were few and far between.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Neptune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jan 20 at 8:58pm
Donít discount a 300 or a 600, amazing amount of performance from both for the money and plenty of space in both
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