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Sorry cant work out how to post the link.

On the Rya site , search National class interpretations and there is Merlin link top right
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Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons


It would be easy to put a limit on projection of rudder fences and thus remove that area of 'interpretation', as it would be easy to prohibit that halyard bag or define it as a sail (which would outlaw it as it is more than one ply). But, in the case of a dev class*, rule changes can only be made with the approval of the membership as voted on at an AGM or EGM.
WRT the halyard bag, has this been discussed on the Merlin forum or their FB page?
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Apparently the RYA rules commitee have already ruled on this ( its a sail). And if I knew how to add the link, I would have done so

Which website is it on? I cannot see anything on the RYA site.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons


It would be easy to put a limit on projection of rudder fences and thus remove that area of 'interpretation', as it would be easy to prohibit that halyard bag or define it as a sail (which would outlaw it as it is more than one ply). But, in the case of a dev class*, rule changes can only be made with the approval of the membership as voted on at an AGM or EGM.
WRT the halyard bag, has this been discussed on the Merlin forum or their FB page?
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Apparently the RYA rules commitee have already ruled on this ( its a sail). And if I knew how to add the link, I would have done so
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To be fair if the Class Measurer says its ok then the Class Committee says it isnt then you have to go with the class committee (as they would trump the measurer). I am sure there is an official mechanism to get rule interpretations given and either approved or denied. Following on from that there should also be a mechanism to for rule changes to be suggested.....

I would rather hope they have all spoken to each other about said issue though, seems to indicate they may not have.....

As the OP knows the class have said the mod doesn't comply they are at risk of a protest from anyone feeling so minded.
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Originally posted by JimC

Its very easy to add extra rules for every single possible contingency, at which point you end up with class rules like the Formula one technical regulations. You can find them here https://www.fia.com/file/78015/download/26184, there's only 111 pages...

Great,  Wink bedtime reading, that'll get me off to sleep every night until next season......


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True enough. In which case the CA should have the final say WRT to interpretation, if they say it ain't allowed (as they appear to) then it ain't allowed.

I've had a quick look at a number of pics on the Merlin FB page and none show anybody using such a device so it sounds like consensus is that either it is illegal or there is no performance benefit in using one.
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Its very easy to add extra rules for every single possible contingency, at which point you end up with class rules like the Formula one technical regulations. You can find them here https://www.fia.com/file/78015/download/26184, there's only 111 pages...

If I were on the Merlin committee, an eventuality rather more unlikely than Greenpeace deciding nuclear power is a good idea after all, I would suggest that the current rules are quite adequate about sails and fences, and that people who want to play word games can download apps onto their phones.

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It would be easy to put a limit on projection of rudder fences and thus remove that area of 'interpretation', as it would be easy to prohibit that halyard bag or define it as a sail (which would outlaw it as it is more than one ply). But, in the case of a dev class*, rule changes can only be made with the approval of the membership as voted on at an AGM or EGM.

WRT the halyard bag, has this been discussed on the Merlin forum or their FB page?

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