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3 fetches and 2 runs was my least favourite recent course, but giant triangles with 2 broad reaches, interspersed with sausage runs are only made worse by taking the broad reaches away and just leaving the sausage. Just tedious in the extreme. At least the fetches and runs was a mistake.

I want a little excitement to go along with my tactics.
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This just goes to reinforce what a thankless task RO can be  Ouch and I've just volunteered for an extra Wednesday night duty in July (my first as RO at L&LSC).

Whatever you do you'll leave somebody dissatisfied, W/L course? The assy's will be delighted but the Solos and Enterprises will be baying for blood, all beats and reaches you'll have a posse of 400's waiting behind the boat shed for you........ You just can't win.......
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Originally posted by Rupert

3 fetches and 2 runs was my least favourite recent course, but giant triangles with 2 broad reaches, interspersed with sausage runs are only made worse by taking the broad reaches away and just leaving the sausage. Just tedious in the extreme. At least the fetches and runs was a mistake.
I want a little excitement to go along with my tactics.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

This just goes to reinforce what a thankless task RO can be  Ouch and I've just volunteered for an extra Wednesday night duty in July (my first as RO at L&LSC).

Whatever you do you'll leave somebody dissatisfied, W/L course? The assy's will be delighted but the Solos and Enterprises will be baying for blood, all beats and reaches you'll have a posse of 400's waiting behind the boat shed for you........ You just can't win.......
Obviously I need to pay more attention to how asymmetrics perform on different legs (aside from constantly taking my wind) - I don't understand why they wouldn't do reaching well.

RO is indeed a tricky job, glad I only have to do it once this season  Tongue
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frankly what ever the latest fad for courses is amongst the pros at the Olympics should have not the slightest influence on what makes for an amusing afternoon at Lower Whatsitford Sailing Club. The other thing is that really with things like picking courses one should listen to the back of the fleet, not the front. The tail end of the fleet is where growth will come from. If you ignore them and only listen to what the top ten want, before long you'll only have the top ten left.
I think you hit the nail right there - broad appeal is key, and a bit of fun is a huge part of it for lots of people. I used to be more at the competitive end of attitudes, but eventually realised that I was getting too annoyed at stuff (either other sailors or my own mistakes), and that I wasn't enjoying my hobby properly. These days I want to sail for enjoyment and will quite happily quit a race if it isn't pushing any buttons for whatever reason - though of course I understand that others enjoy what I find boring and vice versa.
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Originally posted by gbr22114

Obviously I need to pay more attention to how asymmetrics perform on different legs (aside from constantly taking my wind) - I don't understand why they wouldn't do reaching well.


Its complicated between different classes, but very high performance boats (asymmettric or otherwise) only sail at one downwind angle in any given wind strength, which gives them both the best vmg and greatest speed thro' the water. So if the reach is tighter than the magic angle then they'll either have to go high and hoist late, or else struggle to make the mark (usually very slow). If on the other hand its broader than the magic angle then they'll have to gybe down to the mark just as if it were a run. But on a run they are hitting max speed and can pick their moment to gybe etc, whilst the slower boats are stuck bobbling down on the slowest point of sailing.

When you get to slower asymmettrics esp in light winds, where max vmg and max speed do not coincide, then its a bit more complicated.

There's nothing different about the physics between pole kite and asymmetric kite boats, its just that most pole kite rigs are so inefficient with short poles and small balloon shaped sails that they don't really have a magic angle to the extent something like a 49er does.
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Also, when you are maxed out with an assy you have to bear away as they are impossible to depower.
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