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    Posted: 09 Jun 19 at 7:44pm
..... that aren’t aware of the Class website and Facebook page?

Next weekend at WPNSA will be the biggest Europe Nationals since 2006, and possibly 2001 -are there any more out there that didn’t know about it?



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If a Finn sailor can downsize to a Europe doesn't that rather betray the lie there are no Olympic classes for 85kg men?
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Originally posted by A2Z

If a Finn sailor can downsize to a Europe doesn't that rather betray the lie there are no Olympic classes for 85kg men?
 

All down to the natural weight of the sailor, Bootscooter's natural weight is, probably under 85 Kgs whereas the Olympic Finn aspirant's natural weight is 90+ Kgs and to get down to under 85 Kgs would, IMO, be unhealthy, or even as bad as anorexic!
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Originally posted by A2Z

If a Finn sailor can downsize to a Europe doesn't that rather betray the lie there are no Olympic classes for 85kg men?


Rodney is absolutely right - at 5’ 8” i was 97-100kg when sailing the Finn, but the NHS website suggested that my ideal BMI (notoriously broad-brush in its assumptions) said I ‘should’ be 70-75kg.. I’ve got to sub-80kg now, but that’s genuinely not possible for the 6’4”+ giants who are Olympic aspirants.

There is absolutely no way that Giles Scott, Max Salmanen, or Andy Maloney could get to 85kg, let alone be functioning, healthy athletes at that weight.
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I know he is tall, but is Giles Scott really too big for a Laser, Nacra or offshore boat?  Genuine question, because I really don’t know.  I appreciate the cat and yacht may not be his first choice type of sailing, but no one should have a sense of entitlement to the Olympics.
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In all honesty, I couldn’t answer about the Keelboat (but it’s hardly going to be the athletic, boat-on-Boat action of the Finn Class, when they’re sat drifting round the Med for 2 days), but no, there is absolutely no way that any of the Olympic/International Finn Fleet could be competitive in Lasers, Nacras, 470s etc.

Cameron has tried it, and got down to weight, but maintaining that weight is a totally different prospect to initially achieving it, and he’s really struggled with injuries because of this (trying to operate at a weight significantly lower than his natural weight)..it may have been a different prospect if the Aero9 had been selected.....

I can’t remember what class you sail off the top of my head, but it would be like asking a Laser or Radial sailor to be competitive in a Topper.....
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I think they all could get down to laser weight. Anyone below 190 cm should really be able to do 85 pretty easy and still be healthy. It might not be much fun for many. But do-able, especially if you're a pro.

Wiggins was 190 and 71 kg. Froome 186 and 68kg. Domoulin 186 and 70. Obviously extreme examples, but typical Finn heights and well well below Laser weight. 

Just don't eat much and do a decent amount of cardio (10-15 hours on the bike). 

For those over 190 and up to 200cm like Giles it becomes a little more difficult. Sailing will build muscle, especially upper body. So you wouldn't be able to practice too much. 

I think it would still be possible, but you wouldn't be able to compete through a season like they do currently. They'd be holding weight at 90kg for most the year then dipping to 85 for key events. I think at those weights you'd be struggling to have the strength to be competitive and long term might not be healthy.
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Originally posted by mozzy

I think they all could get down to laser weight. Anyone below 190 cm should really be able to do 85 pretty easy and still be healthy. It might not be much fun for many. But do-able, especially if you're a pro.
Wiggins was 190 and 71 kg. Froome 186 and 68kg. Domoulin 186 and 70. Obviously extreme examples, but typical Finn heights and well well below Laser weight.DIV]


You cant compare pro cyclists to Finn or even Laser sailors. Their physiques are totally different.

Those top cyclists have NO upper body muscle mass. Just to sail a Finn you have to be properly strong at times.

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But, we're not talking about sailing the Finn, we're talking about sailing the laser. 

I'm also not saying they have to get down to cyclists weight, I'm saying that if cyclist can get down to 70kg at 1.90 and still be healthy enough to ride around France, then a 190 cm 100 kg Finn sailor can get down to 85 and sail a laser. 

I've been 74kg sailing a 49er and 62kg riding a bike, with a very amateur approach to both. I just think that in sailing there's a culture of moving to another boat before you get to any proper changes to physique which require major lifestyle changes. 

The difficult thing is getting enough boat time without putting on too much muscle. The guys pushing on above 190 will struggle in that regard. 
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There’s absolutely no way that the top Finn sailor could get to, and maintain 85kg (and still be competing for an Olympic slot).   Never mind that Giles is more like 202cm, and that 190cm would have you classed as ‘smallish’ on the circuit, even if you managed to achieve 85kg, it’d be virtually impossible to maintain for a 4-year cycle.

To claim that Olympic place you’ve got to be beating all the Laser Squad Sailors (who for some reason are almost all sub 185cm and struggle to get up to 84/85kg, despite smashing weights in the gym). If anyone really thinks a Finn sailor can just shed 20kgs and still have the fitness and strength to be up with those that are the ‘perfect’ size for the boat, then they probably don’t realise the small gains required to get the wins at all the events you have to perform at, to be selected, let alone win at the Olympics.

There’s a reason why former Laser World Champ Nick Hefner sails a Finn now....
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