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    Posted: 25 Sep 21 at 6:12am
On a scale of probability entrapment by hook always seems much less likely to me than rope wraps around limbs and even more confusing snags on buoyancy aids.   The hook is an instinctive go to area to clear anything else is likely to be far more difficult. So yes Nick, a solution looking for a problem.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote NickA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Sep 21 at 10:11pm
I've still got one of those flush hooks. The "Warrington flat plate" extremely safe and doesn't damage your gelcoat.

A little harder to get hooked and unhooked but also doesn't unhook by accident and you don't need to raise yourself up as high to hook in.

Not using it at present as I'm not sure it will work with my T3, and got used to the conventional hook again.

Two things killed the flat plate 1. Mr Waddington retired and then died ☹️☹️ 2. No big manufacturer picked it up because it didn't and couldn't be QR

.....And a plague on safety rules invented by the ignorant which no one then dares not enforce in case they're sued. I blame those no win no fee lawyers / ambulance chasers. How many accidental deaths due to trap hook entrapment have there really been? Compulsory helmets next?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote A2Z Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Sep 21 at 8:58am
How can it sensible/legal/safe to have a safety standard that you have to comply with that you to pay to read?
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Was thinking more of a claim for accident, but will only come into force once the standard approved.
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Do you think insurance companies will really care? The ISO has been around for over ten years and no insurer has ever mentioned it when I've renewed. Maybe someone arranging club, class or event insurance for organization might have a different experience?

I don't think it is puffing and blowing from class associations, it's more about finding a solution because there are currently no ISO compliant harnesses available to buy and if that remains the case then we'll al be using illegal equipment. 

Personally I think the aim of the ISO is good. I also think 2023 is a long way off, so class associations could just wait and see what the market response is, then if there still isn't product available it's pretty quick fix put the change in the SIs without having to wait for class AGM or organise a class vote (like we have with harness weight this year). 

Whilst I think the aim of the ISO is good, I do think the specifics of it may miss the mark on actually improving safety though. It will also take a lot of smaller manufactures out of the market at the same time. However, we still have a 18 months for this to change and the best way we can encourage product designer to spend time of a good solution is by keeping the rule for now. 


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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Sep 21 at 4:51pm
Whatever happened to that flush hook bar cutout that was made up in the medway towns, that does the trick, most unlikely to get caught on anything, I'm sure there's a guy down our club used it, I shall ask him thursday and report back, very often the simplest things are the best.
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If the hook is designed to flip up like the early gen1 kite release system then it can't hook onto anything because it has ceased to be a hook. Or have the hook on the wire and use a rope spreader or a wichard style shackle again used by early kiters before the new systems came about.

Trust me if you're under the water drowning, there is no chance you'll get out of a harness and whoever thought that might be an answer has never been in that position.


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Originally posted by iGRF

It would be a lot simpler to just make the loop on the wire quick release.

There are lots of examples from kitesurfing, parachute release, twist release, even trigger action hooks that flip up. Nobody in their right mind thinks about getting out of a harness when trouble hits. You just need the point at which the connection is made to emergency release and there are plenty of examples from kitesurfing where the need is often much greater and 95% of them release at the loop.


Surely that only helps if your entrapment is caused by not being able to unclip, what happens when your hook is caught on something else on the boat?

I presume the reason no one likes the old quick release hooks is because they fail? and the T3 looks useless if you wear a buoyancy on top of your harness? 




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It would be a lot simpler to just make the loop on the wire quick release.

There are lots of examples from kitesurfing, parachute release, twist release, even trigger action hooks that flip up. Nobody in their right mind thinks about getting out of a harness when trouble hits. You just need the point at which the connection is made to emergency release and there are plenty of examples from kitesurfing where the need is often much greater and 95% of them release at the loop.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Sep 21 at 2:05pm
That an organisation is looking to change a device due to a perceived safety issue is enough for insurance companies to act, all the classes in the world can puff and blow, but insurance is King.
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