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    Posted: 03 Dec 18 at 10:36am
Noticing Peakys post about the OK racing scratch with the Laser and knowing the Solution can, what else have we in that arena?

Edited by iGRF - 03 Dec 18 at 10:37am
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Finn, aero 7 and 9, hadron h2, zero and maybe another common one can and do race scratch -ish at Itchenor. Each dog will have its day depending on conditions, course etc.
Whilst ability difference is a much bigger thing, Laser a bit too slow, solo far too slow to wor with these off scratch.
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Solo could be in there. Quicker than a laser in the light, but struggles when it is fresh
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 18 at 12:29pm
Here's a list of the current PN's for single handers between 1000 and 1200 in PN order :-

RS 100 8.4

1008

RS AERO 9

1019

BLAZE

1027

DEVOTI D-ZERO

1029

LASER EPS

1030

HADRON H2

1037

FINN

1051

ROOSTER 8.1

1051

RS AERO 7

1068

MEGABYTE

1071

SUPERNOVA

1075

SOLUTION

1087

RS VAREO

1090

LASER

1098

OK

1104

STREAKER

1128

RS AERO 5

1129

LASER RADIAL

1142

SOLO

1143

BYTE CII

1144

EUROPE

1145

BRITISH MOTH

1155

LIGHTNING 368

1170


I guess any group with a range of less than, say, 30 or so could race off scratch reasonably fairly


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Vareo? 1090? are we saying a boat 4.20+ long with the same size sail as a Solution and a kite is 3 pts slower?

Really on which Planet is this then?

No don't tell me, it's the Planet PYAGMoron..

You really can't make this stuff up can you?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Daniel Holman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 18 at 2:31pm
Originally posted by iGRF

Vareo? 1090? are we saying a boat 4.20+ long with the same size sail as a Solution and a kite is 3 pts slower?

Really on which Planet is this then?

No don't tell me, it's the Planet PYAGMoron..

You really can't make this stuff up can you?


Slower than a laser upwind and the kite is tiny. And I think with respect sailed by demographically not a great standard, ie would be a bandito in the right hands.
It should be quicker than it is upwind based on stats, itís just poorly executed.
Kites Esp on slower boats ww/lw make surprisingly little difference on py, and on little ponds you spend more time hoisting and dropping than benefiting.
Rs 100 is what 1000pts? Thatís a little bit lighter and has a slightly bigger spinnaker. But is better executed toward performance.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 18 at 2:36pm
So what is it about the Vareo? Centreboard not big enough? Sail crap? Can't say it looked that bad when I looked at one not long ago, it smacks of the RS500 which was a bitch to make go but you did at least have the benefit of extra meat on the wire..

I'm sorry I just can't accept a 420 waterline length against say the Solutions 390 and with the powerhouse not too dissimilar then off wind you get to chuck up a kite. If I were a betting man I'd have to have a wager on that.

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Last year I tried to organise a singlehanded event, but unfortunately it had to be cancelled due to strong winds. The idea was for three groupings:
Group 1: Aero 9, DZero, H2 and Finn
Group 2: Aero 7, Megabyte, Supernova, Solution, Laser and OK
Group 3: Streaker, Aero 5, Radial, Solo, Byte, Europe and Lightning 368.

Iím not sure they could fairly all race off scratch, but in an hours race the PY suggests all boats in a group would finish within 2 mins of each other, which is far less than any skill spread.
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Depending on fleet size...
When I was younger I used to race the radial against full rigs and at 1 sec per minute it was fine to race on scratch against the handful of full rigs we used to get out.  If there was a bigger fleet of lasers that I had to follow around it would have been a lot harder to stay in contact with the lead guys (clean air, blah blah blah) even if the skill level was the same. 

So in your typical club race of half a dozen boats I'd be happy to race on scratch with a spread of 50 points or so. 

If people aren't bothered about being able to battle for the win and just want to slot in to a race between first and last and have a race, then you could probably extend that range to 100 points. 


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dangerousday Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 18 at 3:28pm
Vareo. Similar vintage to the MX-Ray, single sail + asymmetric as well. MX initially got a 1020 which rapidly went to a Laser level. Awesome downwind, dog upwind so maybe similar in that way too? I now honestly think I could get a shortboard upwind quicker.
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