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Spot on Chris, The Finn lobby are getting boring now. 
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*getting* ??
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Originally posted by JimC

*getting* ??


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It may be boring to you but perhaps when the Olympic sailing finally destroys itself and loses its place at the games that would be really boring
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 18 at 10:29am
Perhaps aggressive lobbying based on blatant self interest is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rich96 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 18 at 10:47am
Maybe ?

At the end of the day those that have sailed/do sail the boat will   support it and some of the whose haven't wont.

Its a unique class and gets you hooked.

The class itself will continue to flourish regardless I'm sure

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Originally posted by Chris 249

On the other hand, a recent article in Sail-World NZ analysed the weight of Olympic and America's Cup competitors and showed that the AC is at least as unfair to light and medium-weight men as the Olympics without the Finn will be to the heavyweights. A bunch of other high-profile classes are also dominated by heavy sailors.
So if fairness and equity are the important issues, how can the heavyweight sailors complain about bias against them in the Games and yet be happy when there is bias towards them in other top line events? And, as noted before, the Finn class seems to have been quite happy to ignore the issue of equity towards light sailors for the 40 or so years when the Olympic dinghies favoured bigger blokes.
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Yes - but now there not a single Olympic option for the bigger guys
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Originally posted by rich96

If this (effective) weight restriction had been applied to rowing neither Redgrave, Pinsent, Cracknell etc would have been able to compete

Yes, but many, many lightweight rowers have been unable to compete in the Games because the lightweight division is under-represented and in fact did not exist for about 100 years. So why is it wrong to throw out the heavyweights, but okay to ignore the lightweights?
Surely either there should be fairness for all weights, or people should not complain when their weight category is not catered for. To complain when one's own weight is not catered for but to be silent when other people are not catered for doesn't seem to be equitable or consistent.


You are correct when you say 'throw out' the heavyweights. They cannot sail at the Olympics now

That has not happened to lightweights in rowing or sailing ?
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I imagine the offshore leadmine will suit the heavyweights just fine. Such boats tend to want as much weight on the rail as possible.
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Rich, the lightweights were disadvantaged in rowing and sailing for many years, and the heavyweights don't seem to have protested - just as they don't seem to protest when other major events, like the America's Cup, give less chance to the lightweights.

I'm not saying that heavyweights shouldn't be in the Games, just that it seems inconsistent to ignore the weight fairness issue for decades and across disciplines when the lightweights were disadvantages, and then to raise a hue and cry about fairness only when the heavies are disadvantaged. 

Personally I'd like to see people of all athletic physiques have a chance to sail at top level, but if the heavies have been benefiting from an unfair situation for many years it appears very inconsistent for them to demand equity only when it suits them.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bootscooter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 18 at 11:27am
Whilst there may not be specific lightweight single-handed options for females (and v lightweight males) there ARE options within Olympic Sailing for these body types (49er, FX, 470, Nacra).
There is no possibility of competitive Olympic Sailing for 90Kg+ any more.

I've not campaigned to keep the Finn, instead fought for some form of representation for the big athletes.
Plenty of us jumped up and down in protest when Windsurfing got binned. Plenty of us have campaigned for Gender Parity.
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