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Originally posted by Noah

Can't help but wonder what price L@sers are sold to the five-ring circus at? (In comparison to RRP, or what Mr Average Punter pays.)

They don't sell them, they rent them.  All the olympic boats are sold through laser dealers after the games at a minor discount.

Same for the Worlds Champs charter fleet when they provide one.


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Re RS classes, it is a big list of products which they've been thro. There's also the Q'Ba and the Vision, perhaps these are now deleted.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Daniel Holman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 18 at 11:54am
Originally posted by AlanH

Re RS classes, it is a big list of products which they've been thro. There's also the Q'Ba and the Vision, perhaps these are now deleted.


Qba and Vision are now obselete in face of questyzesty superiority.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Daniel Holman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 18 at 11:55am
Originally posted by turnturtle

Rumour has it that Neil Pryde lost money on the RS:X project overall, whereas you certainly donít get that vibe from the Laser product... if anything the low cost of production with tooling amortised many times over, plus the relative replacement rate of the low cost consumable parts gives the impression the Laser is a bit of a cash cow. †So even if the price is a fraction of the full RRP for a stand alone punter, itís clearly reasonable sound commercial logic.... otherwise why bother with the sh*t fight in Connecticut? †


Laser 1 is a massive cash cow. Colossal. The biggest in boatbuilding. Only rampant mismanagement could make it any different.
Of the sort by the sounds of it that could make the rsx ie Olympic class since what, 2010, and assoc sales volumes to youth and olympic hopefuls anything other than a cash cow.

Laser turn over around 3000 boats a year worldwide and give or take have done for last 40y. Roughly a 10 million annual turnover. Even when you split that beTween the two territorial builders, if you canít make money from the manufacturing side, selling an unchanged, crude product built in the same way for 40y and delivered with massive margins into a massive captive quasi monopoly as part of a vertically integrated model you have to ask big questions of yourself.

Rs have long understood that, especially for the 50% or so of their product line that is lower volume grp built in sporadic batches, it is far better to sub out to a specialist contractor and let them suck up the commensurate inefficiencies and risks of small volume Batch building. They once had a production capability but recognised it was less efficient / profitable.
Rotormoulding requires big specialist facilities so they also rightly leave that well alone and pass on warranty / defect etc risk to subcontractor.
Whilst grp and high ish although not laser volumes, Aero is rtm which also requires specialist tools and facilities, and again warranty can be put back on supplier.
They arenít stupid, Rs - they are effectively an integrator and vendor of their products, which in any industry Iíve seen is the part where the biggest jump in the value chain occurs. Suppliers of parts can be beaten up to tiny margins very easily. They of course do successfully invest a fair bit back into supporting and marketing their products!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 18 at 12:18pm
Originally posted by AlanH

Re RS classes, it is a big list of products which they've been thro. There's also the Q'Ba and the Vision, perhaps these are now deleted.

That's 26 with the B14 and K6
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Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"
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The big difference with RS:X is that I donít know anyone who electively sails one for fun, or even recreational Ďclub racingí.  I sure as hell donít know any holiday companies buying them as part of their beachside offering.... if they did, no doubt it would sit in a shed gathering sand.

At the end of the day, whether we like sailing them or not personally; whether we found the treatment of designer morally irreconciliable; whether we think the practices of a sister company towards parents of disfigured children are a little corporate and lacking in compassion; we do have to acknowledge the contribution that little boat continues to make to the sailing landscape around the globe.... 

Couple that with the notion that it really is one of the few classes levelling global competition and also providing proper racing at a club somewhere near you wherever you choose to live; well perhaps those of us who once have, or continue to, extol the virtues of killing said class off and replacing it with the latest Whizbang 3000, might just find the baby will go with the bath water if our ill-thought out ideas came to fruition.


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Still need to try out our three new 'Quests'
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Originally posted by turnturtle

The big difference with RS:X is that I donít know anyone who electively sails one for fun, ]
There's a very good reason for that.
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Iím sure they never expected it to be a free ride success. Still, olympic and youth pathway selection should be a great position commercially, if handled well.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 18 at 2:38pm
Originally posted by Daniel Holman

Iím sure they never expected it to be a free ride success. Still, olympic and youth pathway selection should be a great position commercially, if handled well.

I think too much kit floats around in the after market held together with carpet tape.... if you think dinghy sailors are parsimonious tight wads, youíve never tried flogging 18 month old windsurf kit for an acceptable level of depreciation!  

More often than not youíre competiting with whatever retailers are clinging on in there selling last seasons kit for 50% RRP.  The market is f**king minefield.... and thatís before you actually find out no one wants anything resembling a longboard, even if it did mean they could increase their access to light wind 3 fold. 


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