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Probably wouldn't have lasted 10 years though.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Originally posted by Old Timer

Originally posted by mozzy

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There are many SMOD owners who would be very disappointed if they weighed their pride and joy. 
Why? They're not paying for a light boat. They're paying for one design. 

Because some SMOD vendors advertise a low weight that their products donít live up to, probably would not pass the scrutiny of the ASA. 

Wot I sed a page ago Thumbs Up but the issue is, using the Spice as an example 'cos it's what I know about, A Spice hull weighed around 85kg out of the mould, by the time you've added space frame for the rudder and to support the rig you've added 15-20kg (I have a main frame in the garage and will weigh it tomorrow), then  few blocks and cleats and you may be up to 25kg. Allow, say, 5% over in the lay up and you have a potential for a hull weighing 110kg but with some 'reasonable' (yeah, right) grounds for the marketing men to quote a 'hull weight' of 85kg on the brochure. I14s (from which spawned the design of the Buzz and, consequently, the Spice, weighed around 50kg, inc fittings, back in the '90's so were the benchmark. Appearing so much heavier would not have improved sales, that is indisputable, but, for all that, the Spice (and, presumably the Buzz) is actually a decent boat, I've had a ball sailing mine over the last ten years so that extra weight (after the shock of discovering just how much of it there was) has not detracted from my enjoyment. OTOH, If "Flat Broke" was 30kg lighter I'm sure it would be even better.

In your example I donít think it would be reasonable to advertise a hull weight of 85kg. 

The only interesting figure for a SMOD is the all up Sailing weight which canít be perverted by silly definitions. 
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons


I14s (from which spawned the design of the Buzz and, consequently, the Spice, weighed around 50kg, inc fittings, back in the '90's


Bet you they didn't!!

82 kg (presumably stripped hull weight) according to this.

http://international14.org/images/crarchive/1995irules.pdf


There were only really two lightweight classes back then, and neither of them were the antiquated, rule crippled 14s. Of course the irony is that those nasty, heavy, daft rig, rule restricted 14s were way more popular than the far quicker and more sophisticated modern boats, which is something more people need to think about...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Nov 18 at 9:04am
Originally posted by 423zero

Probably wouldn't have lasted 10 years though.

20 years  Wink 

Originally posted by Old Timer

In your example I donít think it would be reasonable to advertise a hull weight of 85kg. 

The only interesting figure for a SMOD is the all up Sailing weight which canít be perverted by silly definitions. 

Agreed  Thumbs Up but, if there is to be a minimum it has to be defined. 

Originally posted by JimC

 Bet you they didn't!! 

82 kg (presumably stripped hull weight) according to this. 

http://international14.org/images/crarchive/1995irules.pdf

I stand corrected (though that weight is including fittings, pole, space frames etc, maybe that's why Topper's marketing guys chose 85kg to print in the brochure LOL)




Edited by Sam.Spoons - 15 Nov 18 at 9:06am
Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"
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Originally posted by 423zero

Helped to lift an 'Aero'off the roof of a car a couple of months ago, four of us in total, can't say it appeared to be 30 kg light ?

It probably wasn't, once you add the trolley, wheels & covers and the sails, spars, foils, padded bags and maybe a 2nd rig size that all fit under the cover inside the raised gunwhales.

I would always seek the help of any available people nearby. 
When available, 3 fit people is a good number with one at each corner. 
If 5 people are available all the better, doubling up.
However by lifting one end at a time it is also all very achievable single-handed when necessary, especially if you put some of the kit (eg foils) inside the car first.




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Great video - shame itís not an RS (or Rooster) branded picnic blanket
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A nice tartan Mr Barton.

Pete Sherwin always used to do his laser on his own so he must have been stronger than you.
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now I've discovered that Aero sailing rules out the chelsea tractor I shan't be dallying with that no more  Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Nov 18 at 3:01pm
Surely a Chelsea tractor requires two Aeros, and all three rigs... two of the sevens to avoid marital conflicts.

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