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Hartley 15 far superior to Laser Bahia, my club has a fleet of bahia's, we had a Hartley 15 and 12 on trial, the 15 totally dominated Bahia, faster on any point of sail, during handicap race it was easily keeping up with best Laser 1 sailors.

Certainly sailing and performing well is a benefit, but I'm not really sure that the fact that it is faster than the Bahia makes it a better trainer? A lot of boats a faster than a Bahia, but a lot of them are disastrous trainers!
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H15 was designed to be the best trainer / family / sailing centre dinghy of its size.
Any pace is a fringe benefit.
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I'm no fan of the almost universal cheap purchase/expensive consumables pricing model, but it's unfair to call it a ripoff. You are simply subsidising an otherwise unsustainably cheap purchase price with your consumable parts purchases. It could also be characterized as a way of evening out the expense of a new boat. If the total cost of ownership over the average lifespan of the item is much the same there is no ripoff.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Apr 18 at 9:23am
Perhaps make a list of suitable masts similar to Sam's sail list.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Oli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Apr 18 at 11:44am
Originally posted by JimC

I'm no fan of the almost universal cheap purchase/expensive consumables pricing model, but it's unfair to call it a ripoff. You are simply subsidising an otherwise unsustainably cheap purchase price with your consumable parts purchases. It could also be characterized as a way of evening out the expense of a new boat. If the total cost of ownership over the average lifespan of the item is much the same there is no ripoff.

im no fan either of this model, it invokes wastage, but looking at how sailing clubs operate the model suits them nicely with a more plateaued expenditure over life span of the boat, keeps it simple for the bean counters to allocate funds year on year.

One way out of this cycle would be to change the club model....
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Wouldn't it be nice to be able to lease club boats, and every winter they go back to the owner for a full overhaul and all wearing parts, ropes etc replaced if necessary. Trouble is it would be expensive compared to relying on club volunteer labour to keep the boats vaguely seaworthy. If it was done as a serious business though, maybe they could have loan craft, so that over the course of a year each boat is withdrawn, maybe in pairs (1 trailer load) and replaced with a loan boat. A week or two weeks later they are swapped back. That way the lease company could have their maintenance staff steadily employed all year round. But the money would be a killer for all but the most affluent clubs.
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guess what you need to know is how much do individual members pay for their sailing year on year over the span of participating within a fleet? would that investment be better centralised and used as "buying power" for the club as a whole thereby reducing the individual burden and perhaps creating fleet loyalty?

Depending upon the above perhaps most clubs could afford it?
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This has been a very useful discussion:

1) Having brought Fevas about 10yrs ago my club has not put in place an effective maintenance and replacement program as would be done with any other piece of expensive hardware.

In our defence we assumed that roto moulded boats would be free of large part failure, and that we would only have to replace the occasional sail/ropes/hiking straps etc

We also assumed that there would always be a pool of skilled and dedicated volunteers who would make repairs in their own time so absorbing the costs. Soon this will no longer be so.

2) When we purchase new 15-16ft trainers we will build in an appropriate appreciation of the lifetime costs over 10yrs and fund them.

3) This will mean club members paying more.

I'm pleased that RS might be able to do something for us. On contacting them I expected to order 3 top masts and expected to pay about 220 which is the price for a Topper Lower mast section which has a similar level of size and complexity. Though not planed for we could have absorbed the cost by cutting other spending.

As regards boat choice, we sail from a rocky,  muddy, tidal foreshore so I'm looking for boats that will bounce well. 


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Post Options Post Options   Quote GD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Apr 18 at 7:58am
Because of the way the Feva shrouds are attached to the mast, the shroud eyes dig into the mast and most likely caused the wear and eventual breakage. Maybe new masts have extra padding to limit this but if not make sure you pad this area well. 
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