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The diagram clearly illustrates that boats are required to round all marks.  They are all rounding marks.

The required side of each mark is the side illustrated.

Sorry, I don't follow you about 'spinning around 3S'.

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We had pretty bad case of this last weekend, which I royally screwed up by treating all marks as rounding marks. I've now learnt that our sailing instructions don't specify that any marks are rounding marks. 

But it got me thinking about w/l with a gate. In the course below, what would stop boats from spinning around 3s then heading straight for the finish?

 Does the diagram or the word 'rounding' go far enough to remove ambiguity as to whether the mark is a rounding mark? 




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Post Options Post Options   Quote Presuming Ed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 18 at 8:44am
RYA appeal 1985/4 applies.

http://www.rya.org.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/Racing/RacingInformation/RacingRules/RYA%20Case%20Book%2003.17.pdf#page68

When a race committee intends a mark to be looped, the mark must be identified as a rounding mark. When the sailing instructions do not do so, or when they are ambiguous, a boat may elect not to round a mark when she can still leave it on the required side and in the correct order.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 18 at 10:51pm
Sorry that's complete rubbish. looping marks is daft and pointless. If the course says pass a mark to Starboard and you have to loop it to pass that side then ignore it completely and you'll still be passing it to Starboard.......
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Brass Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 18 at 10:16pm
Originally posted by Rupert

Why would you want a mark to be looped, unless you happen to be a boat repairer short of work?
No-one would want a mark to be looped, but sometimes circumstances force it.

See the situation JimC described in his post on 11 Dec 17, with a laid mark that could be accidentally laid on the 'wrong' side of the line joining the previous and the next mark.

Likewise, in Sydney, we have a number of permanently laid racing marks for use by all clubs which the port authority requires to be rounded only to starboard:  if you've got one of those on a wing where it would naturally be rounded to port, then it has to be looped to starboard.
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Why would you want a mark to be looped, unless you happen to be a boat repairer short of work?
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It's a very long time since I was involved in club racing but I remember this issue coming up from time to time. If travelling from mark A to mark C via mark B when B is off to starboard from the course between A and C, the norm would be to leave B to port.  If the RO specifies a loop round B, that means leaving B to stbd. 

Back in the day, savvy helms would sail direct from A to C, thereby leaving B to stbd and satisfying the requirements of the course. Is that not the case today?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Dec 17 at 6:23pm
Originally posted by Rupert

Write the course down on masking tape...
If you saw my dry suit cuff, with layers of cryptic tape.. 2P 3P 7S 4S 6S 9P 8P. 1 -Bank
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Write the course down on masking tape...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Dec 17 at 12:46pm
They use the Alzheimers Prevention Rule at Redoubt.. Make us poor old b**tards use as many of the 9 buoys as often as possible as a memory test, it shouldn't be allowed. there should only be three marks to remember in any course.
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