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Originally posted by rich96

you have to kneel

My knees are 140 years old
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Originally posted by iGRF

the Phantom is the answer 

One question - where do you sit in light winds?


Forward, listen to the stern noise if its' noisy move forward until it stops being noisy.

Edit as to where do you sit and or kneel, I noticed one Phantom builder, think it was Boon, fitted a thwart they must be available after market. I told my chum to get one, i think I even saw one with a traveller in it.

Maybe the Phantom class can help every time I go near them they just look at me as a pie filling, if you can catch one of them between bites maybe they can tell you..

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There are 2 ways to adjust the kicker - with the length of the rope strop that goes around the mast - these should be Dynema similar - and also the control rope itself

It should be adjusted so that the kicker lever is at vertical at almost max tension (when its most efficient)

From memory if you release the control rope and have the boom end resting on the rear deck you should just be able to touch the deck with the strop ropes if you push down on them together ? (sail not up)ISH ?

The boom end should raise up perhaps 2-3ft from the rear deck when the kicker is totally released

Re the Phantom - when its light its ok upwind - sit forward on the side deck. When its light and downwind however you have to kneel - kneepads essential



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Originally posted by iGRF

the Phantom is the answer 

One question - where do you sit in light winds?
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Originally posted by rich96

If you have struggled tacking the Finn something must have been not quite right ?

You may be right. As currently rigged, the kicker is still tight when the lever arm is fully released. I'll look into making it longer.  You can probably advise on what cord to use; at the moment the stuff is pale grey and looks like the core of a braided rope. I'd expect it to be Dyneema but not sure it looks right.
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How many times do you need to be told the Phantom is the answer? I swear to God my chums phantom is lighter than my Solution, it really is a doddle to haul up shingle beaches, I wish I was heavy enough for one.

So as to the matter of the next point on the agenda which goes something along the lines.. "Sorry GRF you were right, the Finn is a heavy old tub not fit for anything other than a museum."

Apology accepted.. enjoy your Phantom

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If you have struggled tacking the Finn something must have been not quite right ?

If the kicker is fully off upwind the boom will jump up quite high when you let off the mainsheet to tack. With its deep cockpit there's loads of room. If you tack with the main cleated or don't let it off you will haver problems.

Regardless of the type of Phantom it will be much harder to get under the boom than the Finn. When its breezy it gets worse as you rake the rig and have loads of kicker on.

In addition you with wreck your knees when you have to sit 'in' it when the breeze is light.

If you are most interested in comfort perhaps neither of these racers are suitable ?


The Phantom is a fantastic boat but the Finn is so much more comfortable



When gybing you just need to remember to let off the kicker
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You need a deep cockpit version, either an old-un or a one of the new deep cockpit designs. My mate is well over 6' and a big lad to boot (though a lot younger than you and I) and has no difficulty tacking his old GRP Phant. Try to get a go in one but looking at it it seems a roomy boat.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote snowleopard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jul 18 at 5:43pm
Indeed it does.

Then I googled it and found this comment on another forum...

"The phantom's I've sailed with have to slack off the kicker to get under the boom every tack"


Edited by snowleopard - 24 Jul 18 at 5:48pm
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Looks like you need to revisit the Phantom then.....
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