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    Posted: 24 Oct 16 at 4:57pm
Originally posted by RS400atC


Radio Controlled model boats are probably better spectator sport than dinghies...


Now there's a thought for a 2024 nomination. Could even be run with competitors at monitors in their own back yard.
I think WS may have missed an opportunity there for Tokyo 2020, the Japanese would have been able to come up with a format which could have captivated the youth of the world a la Mario, Moshi etc...
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Originally posted by zippyRN

track events   no difference  ( possibly  hurdle hurdles are alightly lower) 

(Late response, yes)

Women run the 100m hurdles using 33 inch hurdles. Men run 110m using 42' hurdles. To account for different stride lengths. 
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Originally posted by Rupert

If you say windsurfing on the RYA main sport thing, you get 3rd party insurance, don't you? So maybe many dinghy sailors who dabble in windsurfing would tick that box?


Insurance was pretty much the only reason windsurfers joined back in the day and that was because a windsurfing insurance guy cobbled together a scheme which lined his pockets and eventually earned him an MBE or some such similar twaddle such is the hubris that is the RYA
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If you say windsurfing on the RYA main sport thing, you get 3rd party insurance, don't you? So maybe many dinghy sailors who dabble in windsurfing would tick that box?
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IYRU or whatever it was didn't like Cathy Foster and Pete Newlands in the 470 class in 1984, and changed it to MM and FF.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Oct 16 at 1:17pm
Originally posted by blueboy

Originally posted by 2547

Only 11,000 RYA members are listed as dinghy sailors;  a tiny number ...

http://www.rya.org.uk/about-us/media-centre/Pages/rya-statistics.aspx


How do they know? I'm an RYA member and don't recall telling them what I sail. I tend to lie on demographic surveys anyway, as they annoy me.

When ou get your membership blurb from the RYA it categorises your principle interest.
Mine says 'sail cruising' IIRC.
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Originally posted by 2547

Only 11,000 RYA members are listed as dinghy sailors;  a tiny number ...

http://www.rya.org.uk/about-us/media-centre/Pages/rya-statistics.aspx


How do they know? I'm an RYA member and don't recall telling them what I sail. I tend to lie on demographic surveys anyway, as they annoy me.
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Imho- a finn is probably easier to sail than a Laser, given optimum crew weight for the conditions.  There's less to fight with as progressive improvement and customisation is permitted within the rule set.
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There is a relatively simple answer to help even out participation (to me anyway)...

Make the 470 a mixed class. You will probably end up with female helms and male crews predominantly (weight on the wire giving better righting moment and all that).

Frees up a class slot (if needed).

I doubt you will ever get a true 'Open' singlehander at the Olympics. The Laser used to be referred to as 'Open dinghy' which I assume meant male or female sailors could compete (IIRC it was a few cycles back).

IMO we need something like the Finn in the Olympics. The Laser shows the grass roots link (pretty much anyone can sail a Laser across a range of conditions, not many could sail a Finn in the same conditions effectively).
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Originally posted by Noah

Originally posted by zippyRN

Originally posted by Noah

The fact is Graeme, that men and women are fundamentally different. Would you expect both genders to compete in sports where equipment is minimal (e.g. pick any track and field event)? So finding one boat that can be sailed equally well by either / both is a big ask. Mixed two-person is a different proposition entirely and there's no reason I can see why it shouldn't be a practical option.



track events   no difference  ( possibly  hurdle hurdles are alightly lower) 

 field events  - jumping events no differences, throwing events   the women use the same  weight items  as  Para men and  the male youths

But where both genders compete on the same terms, they are still separate events because women cannot compete with men on a level playing field. What's the difference between men's and women's long / high / triple jump records? Ditto 100 / 200 etc. metre times...

 
 however  you are not comparing  like for like -  as often  a man who is the same  weight and  height  as an elite female is 'too small'   compared to elite males ...    and in  none weight banded sports  -  this  promising but 'too small' lad is likely to be  directed to another sport -   it;s  official policy in many places that  a 'cascade' process  occurs  ...

same with the march of   performance  in both male and female  records ... 

 today's athletes  are  taller,  heavier, stronger,  better nourished  and the  AFAB athletes  in sports where there isn't 'side effect' reproductive retardation ( and  this has been  reduced by introducing minimum age limits  in the gymanstic events -  to prevent  the overgrown pre-pubescent 15 year olds  seen in the not that distant past) are likely to have  had some form of 'control' of their menstrual cycles / method of reducing   'weight' and frequency of periods ... 

it is also interestign to look at where the current  Female  record / winning times are in comparision with  male record / winning  times  ...  as  the 'convergence'  is less pronounced than   was thought but the   rate of performance improvement is equaling out ... 

Edited by zippyRN - 21 Oct 16 at 10:22am
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