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Sam.Spoons 
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 Posted: 16 Jun 18 at 2:51pm |
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I guess you've sold the Miracle then.......
Laser 2k heavy on the beach but otherwise a nice, and versatile, boat. Enterprise, lovely boat, cruise it, race it, or buy a nice wooden one and just admire it on the beach  From what I have gleaned on here and other places :- RS200 not a cruising boat at all, too tippy, uncomfortable and race oriented. Albercore, another good all rounder but bigger and more powerful than the Ent. Can't properly comment on the others as I have no experience but if you are a 'boat tart' I can't see you being happy with a rotomould. Wanderer if Cruising is a priority, still heavy on the beach though.
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Doctor D
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Posted: 16 Jun 18 at 3:32pm |
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Yes, Miracle sold. Edging towards a 2000.
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sawman
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Posted: 16 Jun 18 at 3:33pm |
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out of your list the Enterprise would be the only one I would consider, for the same reasons given by Sam. You could consider a scorpion, or possibly GP 14 - these could be single handed if mutiny has occurred too.
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Wiclif
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Posted: 16 Jun 18 at 5:12pm |
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2000 is good. In my opinion better than the Enterprise any day of the week.
Just back from a week at Minorca sailing and I have a lot of respect for their boat choices. They have sufficient customers that they get firm opinions on which boats are best for them. They have an actively used fleet of 2000’s |
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sawman
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Posted: 16 Jun 18 at 5:46pm |
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The issue with the 2000 is its weight. When the sprog has gone off in search of crisps and pop, and poor old dad is left to drag the bloody thing up the beach..... never mind what the official weights are its barely anylighter than a wayfarer its a pleasant enough (slow) sail and very forgiving, needs a bigger kite though on another tack, the hartley 15 is actually quite a nice boat - its equally heavy though, I was also impressed by their 12.2 - like a well sorted, feva, may not be quite was you are looking for though
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423zero
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Posted: 16 Jun 18 at 6:06pm |
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Enterprise for me too, the struggle with weight of 2000 on soft sand or in fact hard, or any kind of slope, rules it out for parent/child combination, plus you will pick up a decent Ent' for a lot less money.
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Doctor D
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Posted: 16 Jun 18 at 6:11pm |
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Berth to Lake is about 10-15 metres at our lake so the weight is not too big a deal. There's a slight slope but manageable. Bala and Lakes have straight forward launches. However, interested in views on the Enterprise - as you say you can get one for a lot less. However, I'm not a fan of wood bothering and I've only heard bad things about GRP ents…?
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423zero
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Posted: 16 Jun 18 at 7:04pm |
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I was lucky with my early Ent' 1970's, this did not have issues associated with GRP boats from that era, only issue I had with it, couldn't get it to point at first, but following rigging advice sorted it.
Newer Ent's appear to be ok ? Have a look on Enterprise class website 'for sale' section and ebay etc
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sawman
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Posted: 16 Jun 18 at 8:25pm |
Theres an ent on apolloduck (22706) which looks to be a composite boat - the FRP on these will be durable, there is a similar aged one at our club that was an open winner the year before last. With regards woodbothering, its really not necessary in the (relatively) modern age. anything with a 22k number will have been constructed with epoxy resins and if coated with a decent 2 pack finish will need almost no maintenance aside from keeping it clean. |
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Ardea
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Posted: 18 Jun 18 at 8:22am |
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The RS200 is a world away from the twitchy monster this forum suggests it is. However, the advice above is good. Composite enterprises are rather good & L2000 are great for what you are looking for. Both would be better for what you want than an RS200. The L2000 will be faster, but more complex to rig than an ent. So getting from trailer to water will take longer, but it'll probably be better once on the water.
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