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    Posted: 06 Aug 14 at 3:19pm
Just interested in......how do club boats at your club work?

Is it along the lines of:
1. old boats that get left/donated by ex-members that are still sailable get claimed by the club and can then be used by anyone.
2. appropriate trainer boats get purchased new for RYA courses with the aid of grants/club funds etc and can then be used at other times.
3. if a class is popular enough or if a club has just a few 'recognised' classes (e.g. Lasers) some more are bought new to encourage those not wanting to commit, before maybe then getting their own.
4. any other reasons?

In particular, for each of the above, are any charges made for each outing, do people sometimes buy their own sails when using a club boat, and how does your club manage the maintenance - volunteers, paid helpers, or it doesn't happen?

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Our old "Club" Solo belongs in fact to the Club Solo fleet who were given it some time ago. It is maintained by some members of the fleet who give generously of their time. Others donate old covers etc. We charge 5 for anybody who wants to try out a Solo and we have an annual dinner raffle to raise more money for the running costs - often repairs to minor damage caused when being sailed by inexperienced borrowers!

There are also some Club Wayfarers used for RYA adult training, but I'm not sure how they are run.
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Hi
At Lee we currently have 18 club boats comprising
8 Toppers
4 feva
2 laser 1 with all rig options
2 2000 old yellow training version
1 RS vision
1 RS tERA
Plus kayaks which have proved useful for training/ coaching.
The Toppers and Lasers were all 15/ 20 years old and one of my missions when I became Rear Commodore was to upgrade the training boats so we have managed from club funds and fund raising to replace 4 toppers for better centre main ones( and changed the balance) upgraded 2 laers this year. We also got a sport England grant to buy 3 Fevas which help to change the balance of training as the RYA ignore those who dont want to helm and just crew.
By changing the boats we have reduced maintenance which is a nightmare with very old tired boats.
Still to do 4 Toppers, 2000, Rs Vision.
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We have 4 club lasers that were bought secondhand from a sailing school and about 6 toppers and 6 Oppies which we have picked up over the years from ex members etc. We also have my old Supergrad which came to the club in lieu of fees (not me the bloke I sold it to) a Wayfarer ex local school and a GP left at the club by a member who won it in a competition. Oh, and a nice Ent that we bought for Southport 24. These boats get used for training and new boatless members. Not all at the same time however...we need more Toppers!

They are maintained by our 'bosuns' who are two brothers.  This is where the problem comes. Trainees and members break boats and the bosuns mend them. That is fine but we have members, one in particular who only use club boats. Said member turns up, takes a Laser, breaks the tiller extension, sails in and nicks an extension of  another club boat and sails off again. He is a nice man but all he pays is his membership. No boat fee (to the the Canals and Rivers Trust) no berthing fee and no insurance. The club maintains the boat he sails, we all maintain our own boats. 

We are a very happy club and wish to keep it that way but we have had to point out to this gentleman that he taketh the piss.
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We have an assortment of club boats (20 approx) from plastic oppies to year old wayfarers. 
They are used and usually purchased by the training center through grants etc and are used on courses. 

Club members can hire them at prices ranging from 5 to 15 per day but thi si susually waved if teh boat is going to be raced.  They are maintained by the bosun but the main problem is if something is broken it is not recorded so that when someone else goes to use it bits are missing :(
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We have a couple of Visions and a couple of Fevas, purchased through grant money we had a 420 sold to us wether we wanted it or not by a member, but at the moment after a busy first half of the season they are in varying states of disarray.

We need a couple of brothers called Bosun to keep an eye on them, members borrow them, break them and do nothing, it's a bloody nuisance.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ChrisI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Aug 14 at 8:47pm
Am not surprised to hear that maintenance is the main issue - we are finding it a nightmare, esp with the older boats. Nothing puts off new enthusiastic members more than getting a club boat out and finding a few bits missing.

But in Hammersmith, with such little storage space, the club is looking quite seriously at going down a 'mostly club boats' route - which is actually the model that the rowing club that we share premises with uses i.e. all pairs, fours and eights are club boats with only some single sculls being personally owned. So we need to find an answer to the maintenance problem.

We charge 10 per person for club boat usage, whether single or double handers, which users seem to think is very fair for central London, and are soon to get some more Lasers, all with dual rigs, and some with triple.

I wonder whether any of the big retailers/manufacturers would run a mobile workshop that could be booked on a daily rate to help with service/maintainance....

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Originally posted by iGRF

....members borrow them, break them and do nothing, it's a bloody nuisance.

This is my experience. Club boats start off as a good idea but slowly descend into a state of disrepair and neglect never to be used again. 

Better to get people involved through crewing and personal loans. 
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We seem to have more issues with club Lasers than any other boat. The problem is down to the rig swapping which seems to cause bits to go missing all the time. In comparison our club solos seems to stay usable all the time. It might be something to do with the typical age of the boat hirer as well.....
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We had a couple of Visions, but they were such pigs that even the novices treated them with disdain.  Now flogged off and replaced by a brand new Hartley Wayfarer and a 2000 (the latter on account of our 2k fleet) bought with a grant.  The Wayfarer is an excellent training boat, and was good value, while smaller/lighter people like the manageability of the 2k.

We also have a collection of Toppers and Lasers in somewhat less than good racing condition, and which seem to require regular attention.  Whether replacement by new would lessen the maintenance, I don't know.  Their sails not being easily droppable, they tend to be left flapping frustratingly often, so new ones would soon be trashed, unfortunately.

There is also a pair of Feva XLs which seem to be holding up pretty well (this is the only rotomould that I actually like), and a pair of Teras for the littlies.  All bought with grants.

We charge 20 for the Wayfarer and 2k, and 10 per day for the rest.

Maintenance is by a volunteer.  I suggested that people should have to qualify to hire by passing at least a rigging test, but this was not taken up.  It might have saved on some misuse/losses.  

At my old club, people had to pass a combined rigging and sailing test before going on the list of hirers, and each club boat had a bosun who raced it on a regular basis (and repaired it on an equally regular basis).  It was a good system while it lasted (bosuns moved on, etc).

I like the OP's idea of people using their own sails!
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