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Originally posted by Null


Just found it!!!!  1010.  Not sure where they got the RYA handicap of 1050 from???
Aero 9 1010 as well.  Wish i had one for the Birkett now, Will be sailing a Phantom
http://events.sailracer.info/events/user_files/Great%20Lakes%20Handicaps%202014-2015-20140509-100511.pdf



Seems about right, a friend had a go in the zero at L&L and he was mixing it with the Phantoms/400s. Probably end up 1020 i think.

I'll be at the Birkett with X1, come and say hello! ;-) Forescast looking great with loads of sun. First LB for me.
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You will love it mate, its such a fantastic event.  I will be out in the pink sail numbered Phantom, massively over powered i should imagine and wishing i had a kite to help pay for all the handwork uphill!
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Originally posted by sandgrounder

Originally posted by Punky


Chew decided that it wasn't in the interest of existing fleets to allow the boats to be demo'ed there.


I find it somewhat incongruous that a sailing club would defend a fleet to the exclusion of all others, including a 21st century boat that its members apparently have an interest in, whilst at the same time flouting class rules and potentially destroying that same fleet.



For the record I ought to say that the current commodore and his team have done a genuinely excellent job in the three years or so they've been in post. But yes, I was surprised and disappointed to be told that new singlehanders were not to be encouraged. Instead of protecting the Laser fleet, which did indeed place a group buy of replica sails, I suspect the aim was to protect the strongly growing Solo fleet. I have good friends in both fleets, but do feel a boat ought to be able to stand in its own right, not just because it was historically popular.

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Have Draycote not taken the same decision?
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We'll be fully powered up in anythin over a F2... only 15.8 sq M on a beam not much bigger than a Phantom

Can't wait!! Never sailed with 174 boats before.
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It's so f**ked up, 1015 Halo 1010 Punk? Yeah that'll work..

They are such screw ups.

Dinghy clubs refusing to countenance new boats, handicap anarchy, no wonder the sport is in such a Parlous State..

What's to be done?
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Do agree about inward looking sailing sailing clubs. 

I reckon the great lakes handicap( at this stage only a guess  Smile) is not a long way out for open inland water.
G.r.f, I will lay you a small bet, that after a year of returns from puddle sailors like me, the official r.y.a number will settle out somewhere between 1020/1040. 


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Have either of the boats done more than a handful of races, sailed by people who are borrowing them during demo days? If not, how are yardsticks being bandied around already? For once I agree with GRF, but maybe not for the same reasons - total statistical f**k up which will lead to bad feeling one way or another once actual returns start coming in.
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Originally posted by AlexM

We'll be fully powered up in anythin over a F2... only 15.8 sq M on a beam not much bigger than a Phantom

Can't wait!! Never sailed with 174 boats before.

If you are not on the front row of the starting grid mate, your race is pretty much over before its begun!  Its amazing watching the 9ers disappear off into the distance and then back down with the kites when you are halfway up the beat.  But what's more amazing is the sailing canoes (Not the IC's) those bouys are out there for like 6 hours, i will be on my 4th pint and you will hear a hooter. Lunatics!  Looking at the forecast its hard to look further than a 49er to win this year.
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Originally posted by Rupert

Have either of the boats done more than a handful of races, sailed by people who are borrowing them during demo days? If not, how are yardsticks being bandied around already? For once I agree with GRF, but maybe not for the same reasons - total statistical f**k up which will lead to bad feeling one way or another once actual returns start coming in.

According to the PDF, by data gathered from regarding the boat.  Which to me suggests some bloke with a beard took a guess.  using some of the calculations banded about on here would at least put some science behind it.  Anyway, like it matters.  I wouldnt want to get somewhere near the chocolates in my first year of Zero sailing, it would just suggest that the PY was wrong.
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