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The rules were set well beforehand, and agreed by all. Dumb rules, maybe (especially those not allowing the race times to be changed because of TV schedule) but the same for all.

Looked to me like it all turned on the race where NZ nearly tipped it in. Before that, they had the upper hand. After, all over the place.
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Nobody comes back like that in sailing, not legitimately,



26 Seeptember 1983?


You'll have to explain that to me, I was proper sailing back then in the real world..
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No question in my mind the yanks fiddled it, but then that's what they do, how much pressure was placed on the Race Officer to call that low wind race 4 minutes before the Kiwis finished? 
 
Absolutely no pressure on the RO at all. It will have been in the SI for the event and he had no choice but to abondon when the time limit was reached. Just like the wind strength limit, all out of his control.
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i was fortunate to be in Auckland for the home coming a couple of weeks back (was hoping my trip would coincide with bringing the cup back), have to say it was the most amazing atmosphere inside shed 10 and to see how proud everyone was of the team was very special.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Nobody comes back like that in sailing, not legitimately,



26 September 1983?


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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 13 at 2:37pm
No question in my mind the yanks fiddled it, but then that's what they do, how much pressure was placed on the Race Officer to call that low wind race 4 minutes before the Kiwis finished? A lot of money riding on the event continuing and all that..

Nobody comes back like that in sailing, not legitimately, but hey it's going to make a great movie and the Kiwi's should still carry their heads high, hell I really felt for that guy, I wouldn't have wanted to be on that boat for all the tea in china in that last race, there was nothing they could have done, short of ramming them which is what I'd have done.

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Of course. Neil Armstrong a true hero. This is not a nationalism issue. More of a fight for the traditional values of truth and justice. And may be all ok. So let us see please.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 13 at 11:35am
That was one hell of a long paragraph, full of whatifs and howcouldithaves, but covering no new ground at all. Oracle had a boat that was harder to sail, but had more potential. NZ had been told before the event started that USA's foils measured. Once they got the team right, and got the foil and wing working together they were faster. I would say "simple", but I suspect getting it working was as far from simple as you can get.

I suspect you believe that there was never a man on the moon, either?
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Yes I understand and respect that but does not address the issue. Some thongs are shades of grey. Ithers are black and white. To establish this only needs the light of day. Open or closed. Let the Cat out if the bag I say.
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Xraykong, I'm sure that Oracle pushed the rules to the absolute limit, but then this is the Americas Cup, and that what happens (NZ hula?)

The Oracle  mid series speed turnaround was outstanding and I can understand why there will be doubts over how that could be acheived, of which Oracle have never really explained what they did with the info from the Boeing ride height indicator and the foils.
 
In the end it was all about money and the resources that Oracle had at their disposal, with Russell Coutts ability to implement what the technical team came up with. Having a load of boffins is one thing, getting their ideas to work can be another. (As was shown with ETNZ with Russell - unbeatable, after Russell - beatable with technical blind alleys)
 
The question will remain as to why Oracle waited right to the last possible moment to do this, as these modifications must have taken more than 10 days to design and manufacture and fit.
 
- Were they too arrogant and believed they were going to be quicker than ETNZ before the cup started?
- Were they concerned about the legality of some of the items and needed to work on the measurerers?
- Were the physical modifications already in hand, but needed more time to complete?
- Did they need to get the data from competing against ETNZ so that they could re-programme the wing, sailing modes etc.
 
My humble view is that is probably a combination of the above.
 
 
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