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Post Options Post Options   Quote Doug Lord Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Sep 05 at 7:12pm
Proposed "wing" ballast is 75-91kg. And variable...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Sep 05 at 6:51am
My mistake - I forgot you quaint Americans still use Imperial units. Doesn't change the point though: 90kg of buoyancy will be bulky.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote a_stevo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Sep 05 at 7:28am
why not just go all out and make it a tri? its going that way. you'll end up with a move powerful safer simpler and lighter boat
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Martin and Be0thwaite already worked together on this kind of boat : http://www.breizhskiff.com/forums/index.php?topic=3275.0 (sorry guys it's in french)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Black no sugar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Sep 05 at 9:43am

That's Europe for you, guytoon! I don't mind links in French... Surprisingly easy to understand Wink
For all incurable Anglophones, the link provided in guytoon's message on the French forum is in English! So stop the panic attack now, drop the paper bag and click on this link: http://www.sailinganarchy.com/fringe/2005/martin29er.htm#sta rt

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Originally posted by guytoon

Martin and Be0thwaite already worked together on this kind of boat

Doesn't really sound the same. If I have understood the first post in the thread, Doug is talking about something a bit IC-like, but with ballast on the plank rather than the helm. 

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Here is another approach from bethwaite.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Doug Lord Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Sep 05 at 1:03pm
Looking forward to seeing more on Bethwaites"LAS" but the "Martin 29er" is nothing like I propose. Stefan is right: the weight slides on a curved wing shaped appendage moving the ballast 2.43 m to weather(the whole wing moves as well). More or less equivalent to a single heavy crew on a trap standing on one meter wide wings attached at the deck edge of a 1.3m wide boat. Loads of RM!
Enough RM that ,according to Bethwaites formula the boat would theoretically be able to plane upwind.
I don't see a small high powered multi being safer than this boat! Maybe faster but this boat will be self righting-at least when configured in it's "safe mode".
I built a 14' tri a while back that you sat down inside and the sensation of being so low-with your head real close to the water is amazing-that will certainly add to the experience of sailing this boat.
Keeping the power manageable and the ballast easily under control is a challenge but I think it is feasible.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Sep 05 at 10:05pm
You know there is a sports boat with a swing keel.  It was at the Boat Show but I can't find an ad in Y&Y and I can't remember its name.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Isis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Sep 05 at 10:25pm
Ive just read the Sailing Anarchy thread... obvouisly got a lot of respect on there Doug
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